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No code tool directory. Do people even use these?
- whatsthenews 3y agoHi HN, maybe I’m crazy, but why are there so many no-code tools? I see them launching every day but outside of Framer, Bubble, Webflow, etc., don’t know anyone who uses them.
- kodjima33 3y agoThere is a shit ton of people who use it - especially in the developing countries cuz the barrier is so small
- sdfghswe 3y agoWhat "barrier" are you talking about? Surely in a developing country having a human code instead of using a no-code tool, is more likely than in a developed country, as humans are more expensive the in latter??
- kodjima33 3y agoThere is a 2-3 years coding barrier till you become a "Junior" dev and can get hired. It requires access to quality education which people in developing countries simply do not have. But since they are looking to earn money as well, they prefer to use no-code. I'm talking from experience and from numbers: out of 60k no-code experts that we have, most of them (95%+) are from developing countries and not from developed ones
- sdfghswe 3y agoThere's 60k "no-code experts" in the world? That's amazing.
- DanielBaise 3y agoNeed a suggestion: Which tools offer the most flexibility in terms of design?
- kodjima33 3y agoI heard people like Framer
- alex_hudym 3y ago[dead]
- galenmarchetti 3y agoYes - a ton of people. "No code" is great, tons of small businesses use them to put together internal tooling and reduce operational costs in a way that previously would only be possible with an engineering team.
- kodjima33 3y agoDo you think that no-code will move to enterprise or it will stay in "small business" area?
- wryanzimmerman 3y agoI think it’s a lot like Excel and databases; in a way excel is often used as a sort of a “no-code” database. There will always be use cases for the real thing, and there will always be people who reach for the easy option, and a lot of them really only need the easy option. But there will also always be organizations who reach for the easy option, wildly outgrow it, and pay the price…
- smeker 3y agoHow do these tools handle data privacy and security?
- kodjima33 3y agomostly, they don't but there are some enterprise-level tools that do it pretty well.
- blandai 3y agoYah have used a few no code tools to stitch together MVPs; very useful for getting fast validation
- whatsthenews 3y agoGotcha, that makes sense.
- SaifAiHello 3y agowhich tools offer code exporting
- kodjima33 3y agoFlutterflow does it
- dsarychev 3y agoAppMaster allows to export code base on go for backend and vue3 for frontend
- whatsthenews 3y agorelated, Framer export from Figma to code is super helpful for small side projects
- scottfits 3y agoYes, can be better than upwork!
- whatsthenews 3y agoOh, I love Upwork, but definitely has downsides
- thione 3y agoi feel like the bigger these tool directories get the harder it is to find anything. search is broken on these. How is this going to be different
- whatsthenews 3y agoNeed an LLM tool for that
- kspry 3y agoIs it true that no-code is just for making MVPs and can't be used for scaling up?
- dsarychev 3y agono, but depends on tooling you are using
- whatsthenews 3y agoI prefer Webflow for all stages, but Framer doesn't have the feature set necessary to scale at the moment
- nmaley 3y agoLots of different types of tools here. Some are no code, most are low code. There is no clear dividing line between them: they are all configurable platforms with the ability to incorporate code through APIs and add ons. Some are just special purpose utilities (eg Postman). Some are niche products with a relatively limited set of use cases(eg Airtable), some are enterprise grade platforms which can be used to build huge systems (eg Salesforce, MS Power platform), and there is every type of gradation between these. This is a multi billion dollar business, growing steadily. It's going to accelerate even faster as LLM Technologies are increasingly tuned to build code extensions.
- whatsthenews 3y agoI agree, but wouldn't LLMs also deprecate many of the existing no-code players unless they can pivot hard?
- nmaley 3y agoLLMs make writing code easier, but they don't make it unnecessary. "No-code" is mostly small consumer apps and POCs, but "low-code" is a big industry based on platform building. Much of the work of building and maintaining an enterprise system is (a)data model definition (b) UI/UX construction and (c) workflows. Low code platforms specialise in doing this in a structured, fast and maintainable way without code. LLMs are great but they aren't a magic bullet. Enterprise grade development requires a lot of structure and LLMs don't provide that. Low code provides a pre built, well documented structure, enabling mediocre developers like me to build reliable, professional grade enterprise apps.
- novia 3y agoMiro is amazing. Many companies use ServiceNow. I'm sure you've already heard of IFTTT.
- whatsthenews 3y agoIFTT is such a great tool, use it a lot along with F5Bot
- advisedwang 3y agoI was part of a non-profit organization that extensively used Airtable to drive it's processes. It works pretty well, but gets expensive with a large and open organization.
- whatsthenews 3y agoWhat's the best alternative?
- advisedwang 3y agoNothing, they still use Airtable. They just do their best to pair down the number of users/features or whatever Airtable bills by. They also use Softr on top of Airtable, but I don't think that mitigates cost at all.
- waxorchard 3y agoLots of great no-code tools out there but you need some experience to use them, just like coding.
- elzbardico 3y agoIn the 90's plenty of companies had small MS Access Applications developed in house. Before that, we had dbase and foxpro.
- sargenem 3y agoDidn’t know much about “other” no-code tools (typical WordPress guy!) and just heard about Bubble a few months back (for me it was Bubble first and then track back to general no-code). Saw a 3 hour YT video on how to create a airbnb clone with Bubble and I was just hooked. Learning Bubble since. All these tools have a small learning curve, but if you get past it, it gets easy! Pleasantly surprised to see a community of no-code people :)
- CindyBiSV 3y agoNo code vs AI, who's gonna win?