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> But being imprisoned without having committed a crime is very unlikely to be considered a fault of the employee. I would (without being a lawyer and without

> But being imprisoned without having committed a crime is very unlikely to be considered a fault of the employee. I would (without being a lawyer and without having a case to cite) suspect that in those cases it would be considered to be the fault of the employee. In many, if not all cases, they had prior arrests, indictments and some were even found guilty, yet announced further blockades. I guess to a judge, that should make it their fault. > Your work contract or collective bargaining agreement may modify or specify where this paragraph is applicable. That might very well be the case, since actually many protesters are being employed as protesters: https://www.stern.de/gesellschaft/letzte-generation--so-viel-verdienen-aktivisten-mit-dem-klimaprotest-33063534.html https://www.stern.de/gesellschaft/letzte-generation--so-viel...

Xylakant 3y ago
You have to be very careful with the word suspect here. No crime has been committed, not even alleged. The allegations are that the arrested may in the future cause disruptions - it’s currently even unclear whether these acts are crimes, misdemeanors or even public demonstrations and as such protected by law and the constitution. Legal opinions and court decisions are all over the place. The jail time is even more problematic given that the acts that the imprisoned may commit in the future are not punishable by prison time in practically all cases. (As a side note: I would also be extraordinarily careful citing an article in the Stern, which cites allegations that the Welt published, without having at least a second source that confirms it)
- c4mpute 3y ago
  Most reasons in §14PAG for preventative arrest include a crime or misdemeanor that has been committed and will likely be repeated, or the proven announcement or planning of such an offense. So most will be suspects in the literal sense, otherwise they wouldn't be in preventative arrest: http://www.lexsoft.de/cgi-bin/lexsoft/justizportal_nrw.cgi?xid=168319,18 http://www.lexsoft.de/cgi-bin/lexsoft/justizportal_nrw.cgi?x... Road blockades are very often judged to be coercion, "Nötigung", a crime according to §240 StGB. Repeat offenders in this matter have been sentenced to some jail time: https://www.merkur.de/deutschland/kleber-aktivisten-letzte-generation-gefaengnis-strafe-haft-monatelang-rekordstrafe-klima-92217695.html https://www.merkur.de/deutschland/kleber-aktivisten-letzte-g... Further sources for your side note: https://www.merkur.de/welt/verdienst-klima-krise-kleber-gehalt-spenden-news-letzte-generation-aktivist-92139636.html https://www.merkur.de/welt/verdienst-klima-krise-kleber-geha... https://www.businessinsider.de/wirtschaft/letzte-generation-so-viel-verdient-aktivist-der-protestgruppe/ https://www.businessinsider.de/wirtschaft/letzte-generation-... https://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/letzte-generation-aktivismus-gehalt-fuehrungsriege-1.5765989 https://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/letzte-generation-akt... https://www.magdeburger-news.de/?c=20221228093058 https://www.magdeburger-news.de/?c=20221228093058 Oh, and the best source, their own wiki: https://wiki.letztegeneration.org/de/%C3%B6ffentlich/allgemein/orga-jobs-im-widerstand https://wiki.letztegeneration.org/de/%C3%B6ffentlich/allgeme...

Xylakant 3y ago

You have to be very careful with the word suspect here. No crime has been committed, not even alleged. The allegations are that the arrested may in the future cause disruptions - it’s currently even unclear whether these acts are crimes, misdemeanors or even public demonstrations and as such protected by law and the constitution. Legal opinions and court decisions are all over the place. The jail time is even more problematic given that the acts that the imprisoned may commit in the future are not punishable by prison time in practically all cases. (As a side note: I would also be extraordinarily careful citing an article in the Stern, which cites allegations that the Welt published, without having at least a second source that confirms it)

c4mpute 3y ago
Most reasons in §14PAG for preventative arrest include a crime or misdemeanor that has been committed and will likely be repeated, or the proven announcement or planning of such an offense. So most will be suspects in the literal sense, otherwise they wouldn't be in preventative arrest: http://www.lexsoft.de/cgi-bin/lexsoft/justizportal_nrw.cgi?xid=168319,18 http://www.lexsoft.de/cgi-bin/lexsoft/justizportal_nrw.cgi?x... Road blockades are very often judged to be coercion, "Nötigung", a crime according to §240 StGB. Repeat offenders in this matter have been sentenced to some jail time: https://www.merkur.de/deutschland/kleber-aktivisten-letzte-generation-gefaengnis-strafe-haft-monatelang-rekordstrafe-klima-92217695.html https://www.merkur.de/deutschland/kleber-aktivisten-letzte-g... Further sources for your side note: https://www.merkur.de/welt/verdienst-klima-krise-kleber-gehalt-spenden-news-letzte-generation-aktivist-92139636.html https://www.merkur.de/welt/verdienst-klima-krise-kleber-geha... https://www.businessinsider.de/wirtschaft/letzte-generation-so-viel-verdient-aktivist-der-protestgruppe/ https://www.businessinsider.de/wirtschaft/letzte-generation-... https://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/letzte-generation-aktivismus-gehalt-fuehrungsriege-1.5765989 https://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/letzte-generation-akt... https://www.magdeburger-news.de/?c=20221228093058 https://www.magdeburger-news.de/?c=20221228093058 Oh, and the best source, their own wiki: https://wiki.letztegeneration.org/de/%C3%B6ffentlich/allgemein/orga-jobs-im-widerstand https://wiki.letztegeneration.org/de/%C3%B6ffentlich/allgeme...