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The only result will be that the router of my neighbor, provided by his ISP, will happily reports the inside of my apartment. Sorry, I can be excited for a rada

The only result will be that the router of my neighbor, provided by his ISP, will happily reports the inside of my apartment. Sorry, I can be excited for a radar-based controller for a console, but as part of wifi, I can't really find any legit use

Spivak 3y ago
I, maybe naively, assumed this capability will also comes to handhelds but yeah if it's only for stationary APs then it's kinda lame.
solardev 3y ago
Beamforming around moving (or even static) obstacles? Integrated motion sensing with fewer false positives for smart bulbs, doorbells, whatever? Or more realistically, your TV can make sure you don't skip the commercials. I probably wouldn't use that stuff myself either, but it's interesting to think about. Why would I care that my neighbor knows we're home and moving around? If they really wanna creep on us, they can already use IR cameras or audio amplification or laser mics or whatever.
- buran77 3y ago
  > If they really wanna creep on us, they can already use IR cameras or audio amplification or laser mics or whatever. There's always a more sophisticated way to do something bad. Why would that be a good reason to lower the bar for doing it?
  - try_the_bass 3y ago
    This is the first time I've seen someone use this question in defense of privacy, instead of against it.
- rfrec0n 3y ago
  Walls of homes are usually insulated enough to make an IR camera useless unless it's inside the home. It would be good for identifying cracks that heat can seap through though. Surveillance by laser microphones can easily be mitigated by curtains or blinds. Both of those also require the person spying to intentionally use them to spy. There is no legal commercial device that could prevent your neighbor's Xfinity Hotspot from selling what you do in your own home to Facebook/Google to use to target you with ads.
  - OkayPhysicist 3y ago
    It would come off as a bit paranoid, but chicken wire would block wifi signals.
    - rightbyte 3y ago
      It is commonly used for older plastered facades. Maybe there will be a resurgence.
      - sroussey 3y ago
        It’s used for stucco as well, which is everywhere.
bippihippi1 3y ago
surveillance into private places is illegal. you can't film in someone's window, you can't wifi vision through someones walls. whether or not that is prevented from happening by manufacturers and that the law is enforced depends on a lot of things
- ipaddr 3y ago
  You can take infrared photos currently of someone's house and use that in court
  - bippihippi1 3y ago
    with a warrant many kinds of search are possible. in normal circumstances, that's illegal

Spivak 3y ago

I, maybe naively, assumed this capability will also comes to handhelds but yeah if it's only for stationary APs then it's kinda lame.

solardev 3y ago

Beamforming around moving (or even static) obstacles? Integrated motion sensing with fewer false positives for smart bulbs, doorbells, whatever? Or more realistically, your TV can make sure you don't skip the commercials. I probably wouldn't use that stuff myself either, but it's interesting to think about. Why would I care that my neighbor knows we're home and moving around? If they really wanna creep on us, they can already use IR cameras or audio amplification or laser mics or whatever.

buran77 3y ago
> If they really wanna creep on us, they can already use IR cameras or audio amplification or laser mics or whatever. There's always a more sophisticated way to do something bad. Why would that be a good reason to lower the bar for doing it?
- try_the_bass 3y ago
  This is the first time I've seen someone use this question in defense of privacy, instead of against it.
rfrec0n 3y ago
Walls of homes are usually insulated enough to make an IR camera useless unless it's inside the home. It would be good for identifying cracks that heat can seap through though. Surveillance by laser microphones can easily be mitigated by curtains or blinds. Both of those also require the person spying to intentionally use them to spy. There is no legal commercial device that could prevent your neighbor's Xfinity Hotspot from selling what you do in your own home to Facebook/Google to use to target you with ads.
- OkayPhysicist 3y ago
  It would come off as a bit paranoid, but chicken wire would block wifi signals.
  - rightbyte 3y ago
    It is commonly used for older plastered facades. Maybe there will be a resurgence.
    - sroussey 3y ago
      It’s used for stucco as well, which is everywhere.

bippihippi1 3y ago

surveillance into private places is illegal. you can't film in someone's window, you can't wifi vision through someones walls. whether or not that is prevented from happening by manufacturers and that the law is enforced depends on a lot of things

ipaddr 3y ago
You can take infrared photos currently of someone's house and use that in court
- bippihippi1 3y ago
  with a warrant many kinds of search are possible. in normal circumstances, that's illegal