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> people buy EVs less frequently than unreliable ICE cars Huh? The irony of you saying "no basis in fact"... Design life for a typical ICE car is typically 10

> people buy EVs less frequently than unreliable ICE cars Huh? The irony of you saying "no basis in fact"... Design life for a typical ICE car is typically 10 years of service... but not limited to that, as many cars live way past 10 years. The most expensive part of an EV are batteries, that have a few hundred cycles(the polymer batteries are yet to get to Tesla packs). Let's pretend that everyone gets a 310mile/500km ranges(which is one of the most expensive EVs). That means that an EV will trash the battery(a critical, 100% unconditional, limit) within 155K miles/250K Km. We're literally don't have statistics for how often an EV must be fully replaced yet. EV production boom is way less than 10 years. So maybe you should consider the saying "Pot, meet kettle"

ZoomerCretin 3y ago
"people buy EVs less frequently than unreliable ICE cars" means EVs are totaled by mechanical issues (Something wears/breaks from normal usage, and the repair bill is greater than the vehicle's post-repair value), and then replaced at lower rates than ICE cars. And EV batteries last 1,500+ cycles, not 300.
- JAlexoid 3y ago
  The current production Li-ion cells have a few hundred cycles. Once we actually get to that 1500 - we can talk. But again - a claim that "people buy EVs less" isn't grounded in any fact at all. You know, because people replace cars far more often than "engine failure" or "battery pack is bust"
  - Gibbon1 3y ago
    To be rigorous battery life is a function of depth of discharge, the discharge rate, and temperature. The sort of shallow charge and discharge cycles you see with EV's aren't the same as spec 80% high rate discharges. You could grossly estimate battery life by multiplying the spec battery life in cycles times the EV's max range.
    - JAlexoid 3y ago
      I'm not arguing with an estimate. My argument is simply to refute the claim that "people don't buy EVs as often"... Which is based on estimates and and gut feeling, not exactly backed by any statistics at this point. Right now - we know for a fact that ICE vehicles can run for decades, we have only very limited data on Li-ion road use EVs. And even then, we will only have only a decade of a smaller number of older generation battery pack EVs. There are plenty of decades old EVs that are specialized, but they aren't anywhere close to what a Tesla is. We can't compare electric golf carts and Tesla Model 3.

ZoomerCretin 3y ago

"people buy EVs less frequently than unreliable ICE cars" means EVs are totaled by mechanical issues (Something wears/breaks from normal usage, and the repair bill is greater than the vehicle's post-repair value), and then replaced at lower rates than ICE cars. And EV batteries last 1,500+ cycles, not 300.

JAlexoid 3y ago
The current production Li-ion cells have a few hundred cycles. Once we actually get to that 1500 - we can talk. But again - a claim that "people buy EVs less" isn't grounded in any fact at all. You know, because people replace cars far more often than "engine failure" or "battery pack is bust"
- Gibbon1 3y ago
  To be rigorous battery life is a function of depth of discharge, the discharge rate, and temperature. The sort of shallow charge and discharge cycles you see with EV's aren't the same as spec 80% high rate discharges. You could grossly estimate battery life by multiplying the spec battery life in cycles times the EV's max range.
  - JAlexoid 3y ago
    I'm not arguing with an estimate. My argument is simply to refute the claim that "people don't buy EVs as often"... Which is based on estimates and and gut feeling, not exactly backed by any statistics at this point. Right now - we know for a fact that ICE vehicles can run for decades, we have only very limited data on Li-ion road use EVs. And even then, we will only have only a decade of a smaller number of older generation battery pack EVs. There are plenty of decades old EVs that are specialized, but they aren't anywhere close to what a Tesla is. We can't compare electric golf carts and Tesla Model 3.