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True of infinitely many forms of protest. If the teamsters strike hospitals miss drug shipments and people die. Farming protests can lead to food supply chain

True of infinitely many forms of protest. If the teamsters strike hospitals miss drug shipments and people die. Farming protests can lead to food supply chain disruptions. Transport strikes cause economic disruption which could theoretically lead to deaths. That’s not what terrorism is. Terrorism requires terrorising people through violence and intimidation. Not standing on a highway.

seoulmetro 3y ago
So you're saying that silently disconnecting all power stations of a country via software is not terrorism? Is it an attack to you at all? Or is it just a protest too? Cyberterrorism is a big thing. Where is the violence or intimidation in manipulating software? Terrorism is a broad term but it is rarely used for its lower end as its also a term used as a tool to scare people. The idea that it mandates violence is outdated. Violence was the means to terrorize but it no longer is.
- DoughnutHole 3y ago
  > So you're saying that silently disconnecting all power stations of a country via software is not terrorism? This terrorises people. It causes mass fear and panic, and will cause pretty immediate loss of life. All people have good reason fear for the safety of them and their loved ones in the case of a catastrophic grid failure. This is not true of blocking a highway. It’s an economic disruption. The response of those opposed to the action is one of anger and frustration. Society at large does not fear for their safety because people are occasionally blocking highways, unlike in a mass terrorist campaign. Cyberterrorism as a term is applied too liberally, a direct result of governments wanting to expand their powers under the guise of combating terrorism. Software attacks that immediately threaten life and limb (eg attacks on health systems, major damage to critical infrastructure) can be argued to be cyberterrorism. Not every software attack is of that magnitude.
  - lobocinza 3y ago
    It's the same thing as both make life miserable. Hundreds/thousands may lose hours of their lives. Some may lose a job, a life opportunity, some may die. And all for nothing because this kind of protest is counterproductive as it associates climate change talk with narcissistic clowns.
    - munk-a 3y ago
      There is no enumerated right in Germany, the US or Canada to have a pleasant life and plenty of people suffer far worse than the occasional traffic inconvenience. There is in fact a war going on in Ukraine right now which is making a whole bunch of peoples' lives quite legitimately miserable and depriving many of their lives - well beyond adding twenty minutes onto a trip to costco. I think it's totally legitimate to argue over how effective an action like this is for the cause - but this is a quite reasonable form of protest.
      - seoulmetro 3y ago
        Terrorism is an excellent form of protest. But it is very unethical.
  - seoulmetro 3y ago
    So you agree with me, that violence is not essential in terrorism. Blocking a highway is a form of terrorism. If people blocked a highway with violent means would you consider that a protest too? You are taking a double standard. They're all terrorism.

seoulmetro 3y ago

So you're saying that silently disconnecting all power stations of a country via software is not terrorism? Is it an attack to you at all? Or is it just a protest too? Cyberterrorism is a big thing. Where is the violence or intimidation in manipulating software? Terrorism is a broad term but it is rarely used for its lower end as its also a term used as a tool to scare people. The idea that it mandates violence is outdated. Violence was the means to terrorize but it no longer is.

DoughnutHole 3y ago
> So you're saying that silently disconnecting all power stations of a country via software is not terrorism? This terrorises people. It causes mass fear and panic, and will cause pretty immediate loss of life. All people have good reason fear for the safety of them and their loved ones in the case of a catastrophic grid failure. This is not true of blocking a highway. It’s an economic disruption. The response of those opposed to the action is one of anger and frustration. Society at large does not fear for their safety because people are occasionally blocking highways, unlike in a mass terrorist campaign. Cyberterrorism as a term is applied too liberally, a direct result of governments wanting to expand their powers under the guise of combating terrorism. Software attacks that immediately threaten life and limb (eg attacks on health systems, major damage to critical infrastructure) can be argued to be cyberterrorism. Not every software attack is of that magnitude.
- lobocinza 3y ago
  It's the same thing as both make life miserable. Hundreds/thousands may lose hours of their lives. Some may lose a job, a life opportunity, some may die. And all for nothing because this kind of protest is counterproductive as it associates climate change talk with narcissistic clowns.
  - munk-a 3y ago
    There is no enumerated right in Germany, the US or Canada to have a pleasant life and plenty of people suffer far worse than the occasional traffic inconvenience. There is in fact a war going on in Ukraine right now which is making a whole bunch of peoples' lives quite legitimately miserable and depriving many of their lives - well beyond adding twenty minutes onto a trip to costco. I think it's totally legitimate to argue over how effective an action like this is for the cause - but this is a quite reasonable form of protest.
    - seoulmetro 3y ago
      Terrorism is an excellent form of protest. But it is very unethical.
- seoulmetro 3y ago
  So you agree with me, that violence is not essential in terrorism. Blocking a highway is a form of terrorism. If people blocked a highway with violent means would you consider that a protest too? You are taking a double standard. They're all terrorism.