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For all the dissing on the Germans, let me point out that many countries use preventative detention in one form or another. This includes the USA. According to
by bradley13 3y ago
For all the dissing on the Germans, let me point out that many countries use preventative detention in one form or another. This includes the USA. According to a book from Cambridge Press: "The federal government has the power to detain Americans and foreigners alike as suspected terrorists and the state and federal governments regularly use preventive detention against criminals."
If you have reliable evidence that someone intends to commit a crime, should you not act to prevent it?
In the case of climate protests: people blocking streets have caused a lot of disruption. They have provably prevented ambulances from reaching victims. More generally, they have impinged thousands of other people's lives in a variety of ways, sometimes seriously.
The protesters also haven't yet grasped the fact that their actions are counterproductive. Since these protests have become more frequent, support for the related causes has dropped significantly. The protester are idiots. All the more so when some of them are spotted in airports, hypocritically taking international flights to go on vacation.
Honestly, we've all had quite enough of them. If the police have evidence that they were planning further disruptions, support for preventative detention to avoid said disruptions is likely to be rather high...
- akira2501 3y ago> If you have reliable evidence that someone intends to commit a crime, should you not act to prevent it? Define reliable. Define crime. Misdemeanors? Felonies? Violent felonies?
- kitkat_new 3y ago> The protesters also haven't yet grasped the fact that their actions are counterproductive. "fact"
- ivan_gammel 3y agoWell, that is a fact. According to polls Germans do not support their actions. https://www.ndr.de/ndrfragt/Umfrage-Letzte-Generation-geht-Mehrheit-zu-weit,ergebnisse1158.html https://www.ndr.de/ndrfragt/Umfrage-Letzte-Generation-geht-M...
- kitkat_new 3y agoThis has nothing to do with their protests being counter productive. Neither MLK nor the suffragettes had broad support when they protested either, still they had a lot of success so, no it isn't a fact
- ivan_gammel 3y agoHow do you see them being productive? It’s not increased awareness of the public, because we hear now about climate change from every corner. It’s not the sense of urgency, as can be seen from the heated discussion about Heizungsgesetz. It is certainly neither any climate action, nor growing ratings of the Greens. So what exactly did they achieve besides alienating a significant part of German population and making our society more polarized on the climate change topic?
- kitkat_new 3y ago> How do you see them being productive? What does it matter in this context? You claimed it being counter productive would be a fact. It's not on me to proof this in order to disprove your claim. Anyways, there exists a study that shows a radical flank effect for the activists group. They also increased media attention to the climate emergency, whether or not it includes their form of protest (which is inherently linked to the climate emergency)