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One of the more important lessons I have learned in life is that what people want are expressed through their actions, which are often not the same as what is e

One of the more important lessons I have learned in life is that what people want are expressed through their actions, which are often not the same as what is expressed through words. People may desire or want privacy, but they don't care about it enough to not use devices and software. For example, if you do something so benign as use an Iphone, you don't care about privacy. Monitor all the network traffic that iPhone sends back to apple if you want to see why. Apple absolutely tracks all the stuff that you do on your device. Thats not privacy.

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
If someone buys an iphone specifically because they believe the privacy marketing from Apple, certainly they are choosing privacy with their actions and they happen to be misinformed.
- ActorNightly 3y ago
  Sure, but thats a relationship between you and the company. Those same people shouldn't have a voice that affects legislation that effectively ruins the internet.
nonrandomstring 3y ago
> One of the more important lessons I have learned in life is that what people want are expressed through their actions, which are often not the same as what is expressed through words. People may desire or want privacy, but they don't care about it enough to not use devices and software. I have learned the exact opposite. That people's actions are often their unwanted expressions of what they abhor and truly do not want in their soul. Take any addict for an example. Guess it all depends on how you see the mind-body and your deeper knowledge of human psychology. You do seem to delight in the "stupid masses" perspective. But maybe that hides your compassion - perhaps compassion that most people's relation to technology is one of victimhood, learned helplessness in the face of colossal free-for-all cargo-cult of exploitation, dressed up as "choice" and backed by the total failure of the rule of law to protect them. Anyway, just something we might consider before pronouncing on "what people 'care' about".
- ActorNightly 3y ago
  Its not about "stupid masses". I just don't like hypocrisy. If people would just need to admit that they are ok with all the free shit they get as a result of advertising and that is all worth more to them than privacy, we wouldn't get non non technical politicians trying to create pointless legislation that ruins the internet.
  - nonrandomstring 3y ago
    > admit that they are ok with all the free shit they get as a result of advertising I don't think people ordinarily make that connection. Many came from a time when the Internet was solely an expression of generosity. The thing about "culture" is that it carries on even after the facts have changed. You're right that today (2023) access to 'free stuff' is a tacit trade. People pay for free stuff by allowing themselves to be abused. But nobody ever made that bargain explicit. It was never announced, I guess sometime around 2000, that the rules had changed. We've had two decades of false "choice" based on a fundamental misunderstanding backed up by a conspiracy of deceit. > that is all worth more to them than privacy I absolutely don't believe people make this value judgement. If they truly knew what they were getting for what they are giving, Google, Amazon, Apple and Meta would cease to exist overnight. It is therefore of paramount importance that the "Myth of the Internet" continues and that all attempts to educate and provide new kinds of digital literacy are opposed by incumbent power.
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lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago

If someone buys an iphone specifically because they believe the privacy marketing from Apple, certainly they are choosing privacy with their actions and they happen to be misinformed.

ActorNightly 3y ago
Sure, but thats a relationship between you and the company. Those same people shouldn't have a voice that affects legislation that effectively ruins the internet.

nonrandomstring 3y ago

> One of the more important lessons I have learned in life is that what people want are expressed through their actions, which are often not the same as what is expressed through words. People may desire or want privacy, but they don't care about it enough to not use devices and software. I have learned the exact opposite. That people's actions are often their unwanted expressions of what they abhor and truly do not want in their soul. Take any addict for an example. Guess it all depends on how you see the mind-body and your deeper knowledge of human psychology. You do seem to delight in the "stupid masses" perspective. But maybe that hides your compassion - perhaps compassion that most people's relation to technology is one of victimhood, learned helplessness in the face of colossal free-for-all cargo-cult of exploitation, dressed up as "choice" and backed by the total failure of the rule of law to protect them. Anyway, just something we might consider before pronouncing on "what people 'care' about".

ActorNightly 3y ago
Its not about "stupid masses". I just don't like hypocrisy. If people would just need to admit that they are ok with all the free shit they get as a result of advertising and that is all worth more to them than privacy, we wouldn't get non non technical politicians trying to create pointless legislation that ruins the internet.
- nonrandomstring 3y ago
  > admit that they are ok with all the free shit they get as a result of advertising I don't think people ordinarily make that connection. Many came from a time when the Internet was solely an expression of generosity. The thing about "culture" is that it carries on even after the facts have changed. You're right that today (2023) access to 'free stuff' is a tacit trade. People pay for free stuff by allowing themselves to be abused. But nobody ever made that bargain explicit. It was never announced, I guess sometime around 2000, that the rules had changed. We've had two decades of false "choice" based on a fundamental misunderstanding backed up by a conspiracy of deceit. > that is all worth more to them than privacy I absolutely don't believe people make this value judgement. If they truly knew what they were getting for what they are giving, Google, Amazon, Apple and Meta would cease to exist overnight. It is therefore of paramount importance that the "Myth of the Internet" continues and that all attempts to educate and provide new kinds of digital literacy are opposed by incumbent power.

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