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No, as far as I know, they did not specifically post time & day & intent of any crimes. They were known activists, and using a very controversial law, were prev
by sho_hn 3y ago
No, as far as I know, they did not specifically post time & day & intent of any crimes. They were known activists, and using a very controversial law, were preventatively taken into custody in the lead up of Germany's largest automotive expo.
The bar you must jump to be able to do this to some one is state law, and differs by state. The bar in Bavara is, arguably, lower than in some other states by my (uneducated in the laws, so not very relevant) reading.
For example in many German states, it requires a crime to be imminent. In Bavaria this is not the case.
- TheFreim 3y agoThank you for the information. One follow up question: > They were known activists Does "activist" hear mean they'd previously engaged in illegal activity, i.e. blocking roadways or similar "protests"?
- kioleanu 3y agoThat is exactly what it means, yes
- sho_hn 3y agoI assume so, yeah. The "Last Generation" is a loosely organized activist group that has been making headlines in the country for the past months, and by my understanding these were known associates/members of the org. One of their things to do is to glue themselves down in places to hinder others, think at events, on streets, tracks, airfields, etc. I don't know if there was concrete evidence of past crimes/actions for them. By my reading, Bavarian state law does not require this. In some other States, it is listed as one of the conditions to meet or "likely to repeat" is somehow baked into the lingo.
- oldgradstudent 3y ago> One of their things to do is to glue themselves down in places to hinder others, think at events, on streets, tracks, airfields, etc. One would think that people gluing themselves to things is a self limiting problem.
- burkaman 3y agoI don't know why you put that in quotes, I don't believe there has been a single successful activist movement in history that never had to break the law. That doesn't mean that all illegal protest is justified, but it does mean that the legality of an action is not useful in determining whether it's justified and effective.
- c4mpute 3y agoAs far as the linked article says, at least some, if not all, of them were already found at similar blockades, some were also already judged guilty and fined: https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2023-09/letzte-generation-bayern-praeventivhaft-gewahrsam https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2023-09/letzt... > Zehn von ihnen waren laut Münchner Polizei während einer Blockade am Freitag in Gewahrsam genommen worden. Also, courts seem to perform some checks, there are reported cases where even repeat offenders were let go: https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/vorbeugender-freiheitsentzug-fuer-klimaaktivisten-gerechtfertigt,TMWZDMu https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/vorbeugender-freiheitse... > So entschied zum Beispiel das Landgericht Landshut, dass ein rund sechstägiger Präventiv-Freiheitsentzug für Klima-Aktivisten unzulässig sei, die sich 2021 auf Autobahnbrücken rund um die Internationale Automobilausstellung (IAA) in München ein paar Meter abgeseilt hatten, worauf die Polizei den Verkehr stoppte. Kernargument: Eine Wiederholungsgefahr sei nicht hinreichend erkennbar. And there are several records of perpetrators announcing followup crimes right after having been judged. Some were even committing their next crime within a few hours: https://www.merkur.de/deutschland/kleber-aktivisten-letzte-generation-gefaengnis-strafe-haft-monatelang-rekordstrafe-klima-92217695.html https://www.merkur.de/deutschland/kleber-aktivisten-letzte-g...
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