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It is almost impossible to fire long term employees in Germany. But getting proper employment is very difficult for this reason. Most people are on yearly contr

It is almost impossible to fire long term employees in Germany. But getting proper employment is very difficult for this reason. Most people are on yearly contracts, part time jobs etc...

expertentipp 3y ago
Absolutely untrue. Source: was fired from indefinite employment contract in Germany. If they hate you and start throwing at you Abmahnung, Aufhebung, and Kundigung, you need a lawyer immediately and the pile of papers and letters starts growing exponentially.
sho_hn 3y ago
"Most people" is seriously wrong, statistically, but it's a significant number.
- throw74848 3y ago
  Most new employees and new job openings, would be correct formulation. German job market is very static.
  - Xylakant 3y ago
    Please provide a citation. In 2022, about 30% of new hires had a term limit. The peak was in 2004, with about 54% at a time when very few positions were available. https://doku.iab.de/arbeitsmarktdaten/Befristungen_bei_Neueinstellungen_2022.pdf https://doku.iab.de/arbeitsmarktdaten/Befristungen_bei_Neuei... I already cited the share of term limited contracts above. It’s not surprising that term limited contracts are a significant chunk of the Job offerings, even if they are a small share of the total contracts - a job posting that must be renewed annually will appear every year for the same position, while an unlimited contract only opens up when a replacement must be found or a new position is created. Another cause is that a lot of companies use a limited contract as a trial period and later convert to an unlimited contract at renewal time. It is absolutely true that some sectors suffer from having a huge chunk of limited contracts (academia for example) and that there’s abuse (auxiliary teachers only being employed during the term and made redundant during vacations), but generalizing this to the entire German job market is neither warranted nor helpful.
    - sawmurai 3y ago
      This is a good demonstration of how much more work it is to refute bogus statements than it is to make them.
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Xylakant 3y ago
This is just false, plain and simple. I’ll just take one of your statements and refute it, because the other parts are so broad and generalizing that you’ll just come around and make other shit up: The share of part-time employment in Germany was 7.4% of all employment contracts in 2021. Nothing significant changed since then. https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Arbeit/Arbeitsmarkt/Qualitaet-Arbeit/Dimension-4/befristet-beschaeftigte.html https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Arbeit/Arbeitsmarkt/Qualit...

It is almost impossible to fire long term employees in Germany. But getting proper employment is very difficult for this reason. Most people are on yearly contracts, part time jobs etc...

expertentipp 3y ago

Absolutely untrue. Source: was fired from indefinite employment contract in Germany. If they hate you and start throwing at you Abmahnung, Aufhebung, and Kundigung, you need a lawyer immediately and the pile of papers and letters starts growing exponentially.

sho_hn 3y ago

"Most people" is seriously wrong, statistically, but it's a significant number.

throw74848 3y ago
Most new employees and new job openings, would be correct formulation. German job market is very static.
- Xylakant 3y ago
  Please provide a citation. In 2022, about 30% of new hires had a term limit. The peak was in 2004, with about 54% at a time when very few positions were available. https://doku.iab.de/arbeitsmarktdaten/Befristungen_bei_Neueinstellungen_2022.pdf https://doku.iab.de/arbeitsmarktdaten/Befristungen_bei_Neuei... I already cited the share of term limited contracts above. It’s not surprising that term limited contracts are a significant chunk of the Job offerings, even if they are a small share of the total contracts - a job posting that must be renewed annually will appear every year for the same position, while an unlimited contract only opens up when a replacement must be found or a new position is created. Another cause is that a lot of companies use a limited contract as a trial period and later convert to an unlimited contract at renewal time. It is absolutely true that some sectors suffer from having a huge chunk of limited contracts (academia for example) and that there’s abuse (auxiliary teachers only being employed during the term and made redundant during vacations), but generalizing this to the entire German job market is neither warranted nor helpful.
  - sawmurai 3y ago
    This is a good demonstration of how much more work it is to refute bogus statements than it is to make them.
    - deleted 3y ago
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Xylakant 3y ago

This is just false, plain and simple. I’ll just take one of your statements and refute it, because the other parts are so broad and generalizing that you’ll just come around and make other shit up: The share of part-time employment in Germany was 7.4% of all employment contracts in 2021. Nothing significant changed since then. https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Arbeit/Arbeitsmarkt/Qualitaet-Arbeit/Dimension-4/befristet-beschaeftigte.html https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Arbeit/Arbeitsmarkt/Qualit...