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I realize this is controversial, and am not saying it is even rational. I spent years writing Java. And at the end I just decided that I could have written the

I realize this is controversial, and am not saying it is even rational. I spent years writing Java. And at the end I just decided that I could have written the same stuff in maybe 1/4 of the time. I understand that some people see benefits from all the tedium of it, but in the end I just felt like I had wasted and enormous amount of time. The cost was way high compared to the benefit. My other reference is just as personal and perhaps just as irrational. Java was free to use. Then after many people and companies used this free tool, Oracle came along and wanted to exploit the fact that people had an investment in this. Yes. I know. Oracle can do what they like. They own it. But I can do what I like and that is not to use anything associated with Oracle. Ever. (EDIT: and yes I do know there are open source JVM's) So, no. I guess I am not professional.

lbalazscs 3y ago
Oracle's main Java product (OpenJDK) is 100% open source and free to use. If you also want extra support, then you can also use the "Oracle JDK", which is technically the same as OpenJDK. The only difference is the support, which of course was never free.
kaba0 3y ago
> I could have written the same stuff in maybe 1/4 of the time The only way that might be even remotely true is if you were doing some very over-abstracted, bureaucratic complex bullshit app, but that would have be similarly longer no matter the language. As mentioned, Oracle itself offers that very free, libre same-license-as-linux OpenJDK, like they are responsible for 90+% of commits there. Their own support license sits basically on top the free offering for the very few gigacorps that need it, so basically almost every java implementation is open source as they just redistributed the OpenJDK codebase (yes, there are a few niche ones as well no one ever heard of).

lbalazscs 3y ago

Oracle's main Java product (OpenJDK) is 100% open source and free to use. If you also want extra support, then you can also use the "Oracle JDK", which is technically the same as OpenJDK. The only difference is the support, which of course was never free.

kaba0 3y ago

> I could have written the same stuff in maybe 1/4 of the time The only way that might be even remotely true is if you were doing some very over-abstracted, bureaucratic complex bullshit app, but that would have be similarly longer no matter the language. As mentioned, Oracle itself offers that very free, libre same-license-as-linux OpenJDK, like they are responsible for 90+% of commits there. Their own support license sits basically on top the free offering for the very few gigacorps that need it, so basically almost every java implementation is open source as they just redistributed the OpenJDK codebase (yes, there are a few niche ones as well no one ever heard of).