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>It is beyond me how people can deny post viral syndromes. I feel part of the problem is we don't really have any good treatments for it. I know my doctor put

>It is beyond me how people can deny post viral syndromes. I feel part of the problem is we don't really have any good treatments for it. I know my doctor put it down as post viral tiredness but when I asked how long it might last or what I could do about it he just shrugged his shoulders.

talldatethrow 3y ago
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- gyy52380 3y ago
  Why ground beef?
  - talldatethrow 3y ago
    Because I have tried it many times and my body has some intense urge for beef, and ground beef IMO is the easiest to make, digest, and cheapest and has fats that are good for you IMO. Some people think poorly of ground beef because "you don't know what's in it!" But moments later will tell you it's important to eat all parts of the animal because they have different nutrients. Ok then, sounds like ground beef is a good way to get different portions a butcher doesn't think sells well. Give me some foot meat, bring it on. There's also the fact that beef is basically the one food you could eat alone 365 days a year your whole life and get everything you need. That doesn't apply to vegetables or chicken or anything else really. Tldr; many people would say someone that eats a HUGE salad and some meat everyday, no breads or processed garbage would be healthy. Well, drinking 10 lbs of vegetables and having some ground beef is basically that except you're drinking more vegetables even that most people could ever eat in a day.
    - gyy52380 3y ago
      > There's also the fact that beef is basically the one food you could eat alone 365 days a year your whole life and get everything you need. That doesn't apply to vegetables or chicken or anything else really. Do you have some sources to back this up? I was under the impression that you should really eat red meat in moderation, but this might be outdated info.
    - bigbillheck 3y ago
      > There's also the fact that beef is basically the one food you could eat alone 365 days a year your whole life and get everything you need Once your teeth fall out from scurvy you'll be glad the beef is ground so you don't have to chew as much.
      - talldatethrow 3y ago
        It's sad that you get your info from government labels that round down and then extrapolate.. but there is vitamin c in beef. Beyond that, I said to drink a gallon of fresh vegetable juice daily... I think they'll be alright.
- wincy 3y ago
  Isn’t this the diet that killed Steve Jobs?
  - talldatethrow 3y ago
    I think that was the cancer.
    - MertsA 3y ago
      It's been widely speculated that his extreme diet is likely what caused or contributed to his pancreatic cancer. Supposedly he was also ignoring his doctor's medical advice and had some irrational belief that his fruit diet would cure his cancer.
      - talldatethrow 3y ago
        It's also been speculated that the cancer was from his early days at HP soldering. But that was only a doctors opinion based on the doubling rate of the cancer.
  - qwytw 3y ago
    100% vegetable diet should be significantly better that only eating fruits/sugar and a few nuts.
- johnchristopher 3y ago
  Why 90 days ? Why juice ? And what's supposed to happen ?
  - talldatethrow 3y ago
    Because 90 days is long enough to see results for most people, but not so long that it's an impossible time frame. Because drinking 10 lbs of vegetables is doable, but eating them is almost impossible raw. If you cook them, it's still hard to eat 10 lbs of vegetables and you've killed a lot of nutrients. Because it gives your body a break from digestion. You'll feel a lot better. Edit: even those that think the idea of vegetable juice curing anything is goofy basically have to admit that it forces you to avoid process junk for 90 days, and 'eat' tons of vegetables only. Which in itself is bound to fix a decent amount of things bothering people. You could argue that someone could just eat the vegetables, but it's very hard to get 1000-1500 calories just eating (chewing) raw vegetables. So juice them for 90 days. You won't feel too weak, and you'll give your body a break from digestion and from processed garbage.
    - johnchristopher 3y ago
      > You'll feel a lot better. But you don't say why and how it's relevant to the topic at hand. Anybody can come up with "eat vegetables". "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants."
      - talldatethrow 3y ago
        Almost every human on earth has come up with 'eat vegetables', correct. 1, most people don't enough of it anyway. 2, I didn't say I came up with. I said I think a massive dose of vegetables for 90 days, that are ultra easy to digest because most fiber has been removed, is beneficial. 3, I didn't say mostly plants. I said all plants. If you try to do that, you'll have a LOT of trouble getting 1000+ calories doing it. Juicing them makes it possible. But to your first point.. this thread was about people feeling terrible for months after an infection. We don't even know how or why they feel terrible. My advice was to try juicing vegetables, and not eating anything else, for 90 days. Because it has made MANY people that have tried it into believers. Out of people that have tried it, I'd say 40% think it's a miracle process, 50% think it's very good for you, and 10% think they didn't feel any different. Out of people that haven't tried it, 10% believe it would be great for them but they dont have the willpower to try it. The other 90% are usually negative about it without really having any good explanation.
- ricardobeat 3y ago
  Why do you think taking the fiber out of vegetables is good?
  - talldatethrow 3y ago
    Because without doing so I can't eat 1000-1500 calories of vegetables. I think this is worth doing once every few years at least for 90 days.
    - qwytw 3y ago
      By juice do you mean do you mean you just blend those vegetables more or less whole or actual (pressed/etc.) juice? Because if second that sounds like a terrible idea. If first you might have a good point as long you make sure to get the necessary nutrients etc.
      - talldatethrow 3y ago
        No, not blending. Even blended I don't think you could consume 10 lbs of vegetables a day.
        ricardobeat 3y ago
        Have you assessed the nutritional content in the final juice? Carrots and celery are known to be harmful in excess (as most things are). 90 days is a very long time, please talk to a doctor or nutritionist before attempting anything like this. You may also look into the fact you’re eating a zero-fiber diet. I’ve read something about that actually helping with IBS symptoms, it could explain any improvement you see vs the content of the diet which honestly doesn’t sound great.
        talldatethrow 3y ago
        I've spent countless hours reading and experimenting with this. I cant regurgitate all of it here. What do you even need all this fiber for, especially for 90 days? You're not eating heavy grains or meat that you need help pushing through. Lol to the idea of eating tons of vegetables not sounding great.
ChatGTP 3y ago
I think it’s because we live in a world where you can’t recover. It’s all about being productive. Your doctor is saying , just get back to it. If you got a virus and could take some time to rest then it probably wouldn’t be an issue. But I think we’re worried about viral recovery times because it affects GDP figures. After I have a virus I like to go slow, but I’m not allowed because I have to keep up with my job.
- thereare5lights 3y ago
  It's bizarre how your comment is being downvoted when it's a very accurate description of many modern capitalistic societies. Especially if we're talking about America, where companies literally try to fire you if you're sick or using up too much health care because of their bottom line. It doesn't even matter if it's illegal because unless they get caught there are no consequences and even if they do get caught, the consequences are often times so pathetic that it's worth taking the hit because the savings exceed the punishment.
  - agos 3y ago
    it's being downvoted because it somehow implies that by taking a few days of rest one might treat CE/MFS, which is a very misguided and misinformed take
    - ChatGTP 3y ago
      I didn't say it will treat it though? I said if you're sick, you need time to rest.
    - thereare5lights 3y ago
      > by taking a few days of rest one might treat CE/MFS Their comment in no way implies that
- brianmcc 3y ago
  That's far from universal though. Plenty countries and employers do offer recovery time and space, but it's not sufficient. I've had friends who suffered CFS (known as ME here in the UK for a time) while students or shortly after finishing high school, and they did literally nothing for years with thankfully parental safety nets without recovering. I don't even recall what eventually happened unfortunately - we're talking early 1990s.

talldatethrow 3y ago

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gyy52380 3y ago
Why ground beef?
- talldatethrow 3y ago
  Because I have tried it many times and my body has some intense urge for beef, and ground beef IMO is the easiest to make, digest, and cheapest and has fats that are good for you IMO. Some people think poorly of ground beef because "you don't know what's in it!" But moments later will tell you it's important to eat all parts of the animal because they have different nutrients. Ok then, sounds like ground beef is a good way to get different portions a butcher doesn't think sells well. Give me some foot meat, bring it on. There's also the fact that beef is basically the one food you could eat alone 365 days a year your whole life and get everything you need. That doesn't apply to vegetables or chicken or anything else really. Tldr; many people would say someone that eats a HUGE salad and some meat everyday, no breads or processed garbage would be healthy. Well, drinking 10 lbs of vegetables and having some ground beef is basically that except you're drinking more vegetables even that most people could ever eat in a day.
  - gyy52380 3y ago
    > There's also the fact that beef is basically the one food you could eat alone 365 days a year your whole life and get everything you need. That doesn't apply to vegetables or chicken or anything else really. Do you have some sources to back this up? I was under the impression that you should really eat red meat in moderation, but this might be outdated info.
  - bigbillheck 3y ago
    > There's also the fact that beef is basically the one food you could eat alone 365 days a year your whole life and get everything you need Once your teeth fall out from scurvy you'll be glad the beef is ground so you don't have to chew as much.
    - talldatethrow 3y ago
      It's sad that you get your info from government labels that round down and then extrapolate.. but there is vitamin c in beef. Beyond that, I said to drink a gallon of fresh vegetable juice daily... I think they'll be alright.
wincy 3y ago
Isn’t this the diet that killed Steve Jobs?
- talldatethrow 3y ago
  I think that was the cancer.
  - MertsA 3y ago
    It's been widely speculated that his extreme diet is likely what caused or contributed to his pancreatic cancer. Supposedly he was also ignoring his doctor's medical advice and had some irrational belief that his fruit diet would cure his cancer.
    - talldatethrow 3y ago
      It's also been speculated that the cancer was from his early days at HP soldering. But that was only a doctors opinion based on the doubling rate of the cancer.
- qwytw 3y ago
  100% vegetable diet should be significantly better that only eating fruits/sugar and a few nuts.
johnchristopher 3y ago
Why 90 days ? Why juice ? And what's supposed to happen ?
- talldatethrow 3y ago
  Because 90 days is long enough to see results for most people, but not so long that it's an impossible time frame. Because drinking 10 lbs of vegetables is doable, but eating them is almost impossible raw. If you cook them, it's still hard to eat 10 lbs of vegetables and you've killed a lot of nutrients. Because it gives your body a break from digestion. You'll feel a lot better. Edit: even those that think the idea of vegetable juice curing anything is goofy basically have to admit that it forces you to avoid process junk for 90 days, and 'eat' tons of vegetables only. Which in itself is bound to fix a decent amount of things bothering people. You could argue that someone could just eat the vegetables, but it's very hard to get 1000-1500 calories just eating (chewing) raw vegetables. So juice them for 90 days. You won't feel too weak, and you'll give your body a break from digestion and from processed garbage.
  - johnchristopher 3y ago
    > You'll feel a lot better. But you don't say why and how it's relevant to the topic at hand. Anybody can come up with "eat vegetables". "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants."
    - talldatethrow 3y ago
      Almost every human on earth has come up with 'eat vegetables', correct. 1, most people don't enough of it anyway. 2, I didn't say I came up with. I said I think a massive dose of vegetables for 90 days, that are ultra easy to digest because most fiber has been removed, is beneficial. 3, I didn't say mostly plants. I said all plants. If you try to do that, you'll have a LOT of trouble getting 1000+ calories doing it. Juicing them makes it possible. But to your first point.. this thread was about people feeling terrible for months after an infection. We don't even know how or why they feel terrible. My advice was to try juicing vegetables, and not eating anything else, for 90 days. Because it has made MANY people that have tried it into believers. Out of people that have tried it, I'd say 40% think it's a miracle process, 50% think it's very good for you, and 10% think they didn't feel any different. Out of people that haven't tried it, 10% believe it would be great for them but they dont have the willpower to try it. The other 90% are usually negative about it without really having any good explanation.
ricardobeat 3y ago
Why do you think taking the fiber out of vegetables is good?
- talldatethrow 3y ago
  Because without doing so I can't eat 1000-1500 calories of vegetables. I think this is worth doing once every few years at least for 90 days.
  - qwytw 3y ago
    By juice do you mean do you mean you just blend those vegetables more or less whole or actual (pressed/etc.) juice? Because if second that sounds like a terrible idea. If first you might have a good point as long you make sure to get the necessary nutrients etc.
    - talldatethrow 3y ago
      No, not blending. Even blended I don't think you could consume 10 lbs of vegetables a day.
      - ricardobeat 3y ago
        Have you assessed the nutritional content in the final juice? Carrots and celery are known to be harmful in excess (as most things are). 90 days is a very long time, please talk to a doctor or nutritionist before attempting anything like this. You may also look into the fact you’re eating a zero-fiber diet. I’ve read something about that actually helping with IBS symptoms, it could explain any improvement you see vs the content of the diet which honestly doesn’t sound great.
        talldatethrow 3y ago
        I've spent countless hours reading and experimenting with this. I cant regurgitate all of it here. What do you even need all this fiber for, especially for 90 days? You're not eating heavy grains or meat that you need help pushing through. Lol to the idea of eating tons of vegetables not sounding great.

ChatGTP 3y ago

I think it’s because we live in a world where you can’t recover. It’s all about being productive. Your doctor is saying , just get back to it. If you got a virus and could take some time to rest then it probably wouldn’t be an issue. But I think we’re worried about viral recovery times because it affects GDP figures. After I have a virus I like to go slow, but I’m not allowed because I have to keep up with my job.

thereare5lights 3y ago
It's bizarre how your comment is being downvoted when it's a very accurate description of many modern capitalistic societies. Especially if we're talking about America, where companies literally try to fire you if you're sick or using up too much health care because of their bottom line. It doesn't even matter if it's illegal because unless they get caught there are no consequences and even if they do get caught, the consequences are often times so pathetic that it's worth taking the hit because the savings exceed the punishment.
- agos 3y ago
  it's being downvoted because it somehow implies that by taking a few days of rest one might treat CE/MFS, which is a very misguided and misinformed take
  - ChatGTP 3y ago
    I didn't say it will treat it though? I said if you're sick, you need time to rest.
  - thereare5lights 3y ago
    > by taking a few days of rest one might treat CE/MFS Their comment in no way implies that
brianmcc 3y ago
That's far from universal though. Plenty countries and employers do offer recovery time and space, but it's not sufficient. I've had friends who suffered CFS (known as ME here in the UK for a time) while students or shortly after finishing high school, and they did literally nothing for years with thankfully parental safety nets without recovering. I don't even recall what eventually happened unfortunately - we're talking early 1990s.