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>So I also own any and all data about me If I see you on the street and write in my diary: “Saw specialist on the street today.” You’d like the law to consider

>So I also own any and all data about me If I see you on the street and write in my diary: “Saw specialist on the street today.” You’d like the law to consider me a thief? Indeed, I think this is absurd because the premise that you are your data is absurd. Your data is not a person; it cannot feel pain or be damaged or compelled to action. You are no more your data than you are the clothes you choose to wear.

specialist 3y ago
I grant you permission to document our encounters for your personal use, in perpetuity. Such transactions are common enough that society will formalize such arrangements, minimizing transaction costs (overhead). But should you ever decide to write a book about me, I want my cut. > Your data is not a person... Correct. My data and myself are the same person. Legally. Consider: You impersonate me for the purposes of seizing my property. You have everything necessary to prove to my bank that you are me. How is a bank to know otherwise? For all practical purposes, to the bank, you are me. How then is my data not me? -- Identity theft is now a growth industry. Do you have any proposals for mitigating these crimes? Ditto surveillance, behavioral advertising, profiling, stalking. How does our society rebalance the scales to mitigate these problems? Formalizing our individual right to privacy, universal personal sovereignty is my proposal. It's the cornerstone of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness for society in our new era. Necessary, but not sufficient, of course.
- l33t7332273 3y ago
  >How then is my data not me? Knowing your PII is not a crime, and it shouldn’t be. Identity theft is not a crime. In fact, there is no such thing. You’re still you. I can’t steal your identity. The crime is fraud. Making material misrepresentations about who I am by pretending to be you to obtain credit is the crime. >It's the cornerstone of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness for society in our new era. It’s really not. We have all of these now without data privacy.
  - specialist 3y ago
    > Knowing your PII is not a crime... Correct. We're talking civil law, not criminal. If you use my PII without my consent, I'm suing you in court. Abuse the rights of many and you could be facing a class action lawsuit. > We have all of these now without data privacy. What are your thoughts on the other social pathogens? Behavioral ads, profiling, etc. I'm curious: In your view, do people have the right to privacy? Or are you more in the McNealy/Zuck/Schmidt camp? "There is no privacy. Get over it."
    - l33t7332273 3y ago
      You gave a criminal example, hence my discussion of what was illegal. Regardless, the right to privacy, much like the rights to speech and to bear arms is complicated and can’t be easily captured. I believe people have a right to privacy, but I also believe there is nothing wrong with me seeing you outside, writing this fact down in my diary, and selling it without your permission.
heresie-dabord 3y ago
> If I see you on the street and write in my diary: “Saw specialist on the street today.” Are you a private individual, or a corporation (or agent thereof) that will use information specifically about me to earn profit without acknowledging your use of my data and compensating me? If you are a private individual, say hello. If you are a corporation or agent thereof, do not collect without my permission.
- l33t7332273 3y ago
  I don’t think there’s anything wrong with using your data without compensating you. If I sell my diary, you aren’t owed a cent.

specialist 3y ago

I grant you permission to document our encounters for your personal use, in perpetuity. Such transactions are common enough that society will formalize such arrangements, minimizing transaction costs (overhead). But should you ever decide to write a book about me, I want my cut. > Your data is not a person... Correct. My data and myself are the same person. Legally. Consider: You impersonate me for the purposes of seizing my property. You have everything necessary to prove to my bank that you are me. How is a bank to know otherwise? For all practical purposes, to the bank, you are me. How then is my data not me? -- Identity theft is now a growth industry. Do you have any proposals for mitigating these crimes? Ditto surveillance, behavioral advertising, profiling, stalking. How does our society rebalance the scales to mitigate these problems? Formalizing our individual right to privacy, universal personal sovereignty is my proposal. It's the cornerstone of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness for society in our new era. Necessary, but not sufficient, of course.

l33t7332273 3y ago
>How then is my data not me? Knowing your PII is not a crime, and it shouldn’t be. Identity theft is not a crime. In fact, there is no such thing. You’re still you. I can’t steal your identity. The crime is fraud. Making material misrepresentations about who I am by pretending to be you to obtain credit is the crime. >It's the cornerstone of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness for society in our new era. It’s really not. We have all of these now without data privacy.
- specialist 3y ago
  > Knowing your PII is not a crime... Correct. We're talking civil law, not criminal. If you use my PII without my consent, I'm suing you in court. Abuse the rights of many and you could be facing a class action lawsuit. > We have all of these now without data privacy. What are your thoughts on the other social pathogens? Behavioral ads, profiling, etc. I'm curious: In your view, do people have the right to privacy? Or are you more in the McNealy/Zuck/Schmidt camp? "There is no privacy. Get over it."
  - l33t7332273 3y ago
    You gave a criminal example, hence my discussion of what was illegal. Regardless, the right to privacy, much like the rights to speech and to bear arms is complicated and can’t be easily captured. I believe people have a right to privacy, but I also believe there is nothing wrong with me seeing you outside, writing this fact down in my diary, and selling it without your permission.

heresie-dabord 3y ago

> If I see you on the street and write in my diary: “Saw specialist on the street today.” Are you a private individual, or a corporation (or agent thereof) that will use information specifically about me to earn profit without acknowledging your use of my data and compensating me? If you are a private individual, say hello. If you are a corporation or agent thereof, do not collect without my permission.

l33t7332273 3y ago
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with using your data without compensating you. If I sell my diary, you aren’t owed a cent.