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Yeah, isn't it great that more people are backing a proprietary, closed source, Windows-centric technology? (As a pre-emptive strike, Mono does not make .NET a

by udp 15y ago

Yeah, isn't it great that more people are backing a proprietary, closed source, Windows-centric technology? (As a pre-emptive strike, Mono does not make .NET any more "open". If Mono was maintained and supported by the same people that design the language/APIs I might change my tune.)

r4vik 15y ago
Well C# is a great language, that runs very well everywhere (thanks to mono). I wouldn't ever dream of using ASP.NET but C# as a language is pretty nice.
- InclinedPlane 15y ago
  Asp.net MVC is fine. Webforms is a crime.
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InclinedPlane 15y ago
That's a pretty substantial downside to C# for sure but it doesn't stop it from being a fantastic language. I can only imagine how popular it would be if MS supported non-Windows VMs (technically the CLR) directly.
migueldeicaza 15y ago
Yes, it does.
bunderbunder 15y ago
The programming language described by standard ECMA-334 is, like most any other ECMA standard, non-proprietary, open for anyone to use, and not particularly tied to any one platform. There is of course a particular implementation of that language which is proprietary, closed source, and tied to a particular platform. However, this is not a particularly unique feature of the language. The same is also true of ECMA-262, ISO-1539, ISO-9899, ISO-10279, and many others. For its part, Mono is supported by the same people that design the Mono branch of the language/APIs. This is a quite robust fork of the platform, which includes a great many useful APIs which are specific to that version, and forms the foundation of popular tools such as the Unity game development framework.
- udp 15y ago
  The parent comment specifically mentioned more people using .NET. I don't have a problem with C# as a language.
dpark 15y ago
> As a pre-emptive strike, Mono does not make .NET any more "open". If Mono was maintained and supported by the same people that design the language/APIs I might change my tune. If Microsoft controlled both major implementations of C# and .Net, you'd consider that more open? Maybe you should think about that a little bit more.
- udp 15y ago
  Mono is open source. If it were the official (reference) implementation, of course I'd consider .NET more of an open platform.
  - dpark 15y ago
    That doesn't sound more open to me. Is Java more open than C++? Java's official implementation is open source, but it's controlled by Oracle. C++ doesn't even (to my knowledge) have an official implementation, yet it has numerous practical implementations, some of which are open source.

by udp 15y ago

r4vik 15y ago

Well C# is a great language, that runs very well everywhere (thanks to mono). I wouldn't ever dream of using ASP.NET but C# as a language is pretty nice.

InclinedPlane 15y ago
Asp.net MVC is fine. Webforms is a crime.

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InclinedPlane 15y ago

That's a pretty substantial downside to C# for sure but it doesn't stop it from being a fantastic language. I can only imagine how popular it would be if MS supported non-Windows VMs (technically the CLR) directly.

migueldeicaza 15y ago

Yes, it does.

bunderbunder 15y ago

The programming language described by standard ECMA-334 is, like most any other ECMA standard, non-proprietary, open for anyone to use, and not particularly tied to any one platform. There is of course a particular implementation of that language which is proprietary, closed source, and tied to a particular platform. However, this is not a particularly unique feature of the language. The same is also true of ECMA-262, ISO-1539, ISO-9899, ISO-10279, and many others. For its part, Mono is supported by the same people that design the Mono branch of the language/APIs. This is a quite robust fork of the platform, which includes a great many useful APIs which are specific to that version, and forms the foundation of popular tools such as the Unity game development framework.

udp 15y ago
The parent comment specifically mentioned more people using .NET. I don't have a problem with C# as a language.

dpark 15y ago

> As a pre-emptive strike, Mono does not make .NET any more "open". If Mono was maintained and supported by the same people that design the language/APIs I might change my tune. If Microsoft controlled both major implementations of C# and .Net, you'd consider that more open? Maybe you should think about that a little bit more.

udp 15y ago
Mono is open source. If it were the official (reference) implementation, of course I'd consider .NET more of an open platform.
- dpark 15y ago
  That doesn't sound more open to me. Is Java more open than C++? Java's official implementation is open source, but it's controlled by Oracle. C++ doesn't even (to my knowledge) have an official implementation, yet it has numerous practical implementations, some of which are open source.