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Hmm? The increase in average temperature from 1981 (the earliest on that chart) to now hasn't had any meaningful impact on people's standard of living. Why sho

Hmm? The increase in average temperature from 1981 (the earliest on that chart) to now hasn't had any meaningful impact on people's standard of living. Why should a similar increase over the next 40 years be any different?

boringuser2 3y ago
Because THE END IS NIGH, HEAR YE, HEAR YE. There's truly nothing new under the sun for human beings, we just keep play-acting out patterns etched by millions of years of evolution.
- ben_w 3y ago
  > There's truly nothing new under the sun for human beings, we just keep play-acting out patterns etched by millions of years of evolution. Like flying to the moon, and launching artificial satellites in greater numbers than naked-eye distinguishable stars, and some more to places so remote that even the sun is naught but a bright star; like flying above the clouds, around the world, and faster than sound; like refining metals from sand, poisoning it, etching on literally occult symbols (the word means hidden and they are smaller than light itself) and feeding them artificial lightning in order to trick it into doing our thinking for us; like transmuting metals and gasses to create weapons that can level cities and moderate-sized hills; like altering the global balance of fauna to be overwhelmingly us, our pets, and our livestock, with only a small fraction of the total now being wild animals; like wiping out entire diseases, learning to see colours beyond those our eyes can perceive (and also with sound) in order to look within living bodies; like having the power of Morpheus to keep someone asleep throughout as their heart is removed and replaced without killing them; like the power to read and write the language of life to bend it to our will, giving us spider-silk yeast?
  - boringuser2 3y ago
    Uninteresting reply because you've made a fundamental categorical error. I was clearly referring to psycho-social patterns, not arbitrary lists of technology.
    - ben_w 3y ago
      First: no it was not clear that's what you were referring to. Second: given how much we've changed our environment, our food, the substances we take for mental health, any take regarding our "nature" must account for the impact of this environment Third: ditto nurture, as we now insist on educating ourselves to adulthood, and — in opposition to our earliest comprehensible written records — many of us are now in societies that reject things like slavery and husbands having arbitrary power over their wives (and increasingly, though to a lesser degree, religion); we have, essentially, domesticated ourselves.
      - boringuser2 3y ago
        The problem with your assertion that it wasn't clear what I was referring to is that it is contingent on the supposition that your mental ability put you in the category of someone I intended to present my ideas to.
        ben_w 3y ago
        https://explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1984:_Misinterpretation https://explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1984:_Misinterpretati... (Yours would be a better insult had I not fallen off the top of the cognitive scoring mechanism when it was tested — which only means "at least +2σ" because it is poorly defined as a concept, but yours was still a woefully inept attempt at a put-down). I rather hoped that #2 and #3 would have given a hint as to why #1 — but "communication is not a single-player game" isn't just something I'm telling you so you can be better.
cammikebrown 3y ago
It’s not gonna be linear. Weather is also way, way more unpredictable than it was in 1981.
thfuran 3y ago
Cooling water from 3 to 1 C barely does anything. Why should cooling it an additional two degrees be any different?
- gruez 3y ago
  What's the scientific consensus on tipping points?
  - thfuran 3y ago
    It's entirely certain that there are wet-bulb temperatures above which humans cannot survive for long and pretty certain that there are highly populated areas where a few more degrees warming globally means that those temperatures will be reached (or at least apprached, which is still dangerous) much more often. There are a variety of less direct potential tipping points, which may be more or less certain, but we can be quite confident that higher temperatures means more people dying in heat waves.
    - trashtester 3y ago
      If you examine the IPCC report maps [1] to see what areas have the greatest heating, wet tropical areas (like India and South-East Asia) tend to have less heating (in terms of degrees) than most other places. Some of the areas with the highest predicted temperature increases are relatively dry places, such as Siberia and several deserts. [1] https://www.un.org/nl/file/78475 https://www.un.org/nl/file/78475
      - thfuran 3y ago
        Sure, they aren't going to be warming the most, but they have already seen an increase in the incidence of heat waves nearing or reaching unlivable temperatures in the past few decades[1] and the incidence can be expected to continue increasing as average temperatures increase. [1] >Since 2005, wet-bulb temperature values above 95 degrees Fahrenheit have occurred for short periods of time on nine separate occasions in a few subtropical places like Pakistan and the Persian Gulf. They also appear to be becoming more frequent. In addition, incidences of slightly lower wet-bulb temperature values in the 90 to 95-degree Fahrenheit (32 to 35-degree Celsius) range have more than tripled over the 40 years studied by Raymond’s team. https://climate.nasa.gov/explore/ask-nasa-climate/3151/too-hot-to-handle-how-climate-change-may-make-some-places-too-hot-to-live/ https://climate.nasa.gov/explore/ask-nasa-climate/3151/too-h...
kubb 3y ago
Hmm? How could desertification, ocean acidification and water scarcity affect me? Hmm? Could anybody explain guys? It's not like I'm not going to be able to get groceries at the supermarket anymore, hmm? They'll still be cheap, right? There shouldn't be any mass migrations either...
- gruez 3y ago
  >Hmm? How could desertification, ocean acidification and water scarcity affect me? That doesn't answer the parent's question, which is that those events have been happening in the past few decades with seemingly no material effects.
  - kubb 3y ago
    Right, I'm not sure what these exoterrorists are smoking. It's been fine and it's gonna be fine forever. It'll keep getting better in fact. All that threat modelling, ecosystem analysis, and understanding the consequences of current biochemical developments are just a bunch of alarmism, stressing us out for no reason... No need to understand what their data, methodology and conclusions are at all.
seaman1921 3y ago
thats how you boil a frog

boringuser2 3y ago

Because THE END IS NIGH, HEAR YE, HEAR YE. There's truly nothing new under the sun for human beings, we just keep play-acting out patterns etched by millions of years of evolution.

ben_w 3y ago
> There's truly nothing new under the sun for human beings, we just keep play-acting out patterns etched by millions of years of evolution. Like flying to the moon, and launching artificial satellites in greater numbers than naked-eye distinguishable stars, and some more to places so remote that even the sun is naught but a bright star; like flying above the clouds, around the world, and faster than sound; like refining metals from sand, poisoning it, etching on literally occult symbols (the word means hidden and they are smaller than light itself) and feeding them artificial lightning in order to trick it into doing our thinking for us; like transmuting metals and gasses to create weapons that can level cities and moderate-sized hills; like altering the global balance of fauna to be overwhelmingly us, our pets, and our livestock, with only a small fraction of the total now being wild animals; like wiping out entire diseases, learning to see colours beyond those our eyes can perceive (and also with sound) in order to look within living bodies; like having the power of Morpheus to keep someone asleep throughout as their heart is removed and replaced without killing them; like the power to read and write the language of life to bend it to our will, giving us spider-silk yeast?
- boringuser2 3y ago
  Uninteresting reply because you've made a fundamental categorical error. I was clearly referring to psycho-social patterns, not arbitrary lists of technology.
  - ben_w 3y ago
    First: no it was not clear that's what you were referring to. Second: given how much we've changed our environment, our food, the substances we take for mental health, any take regarding our "nature" must account for the impact of this environment Third: ditto nurture, as we now insist on educating ourselves to adulthood, and — in opposition to our earliest comprehensible written records — many of us are now in societies that reject things like slavery and husbands having arbitrary power over their wives (and increasingly, though to a lesser degree, religion); we have, essentially, domesticated ourselves.
    - boringuser2 3y ago
      The problem with your assertion that it wasn't clear what I was referring to is that it is contingent on the supposition that your mental ability put you in the category of someone I intended to present my ideas to.
      - ben_w 3y ago
        https://explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1984:_Misinterpretation https://explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1984:_Misinterpretati... (Yours would be a better insult had I not fallen off the top of the cognitive scoring mechanism when it was tested — which only means "at least +2σ" because it is poorly defined as a concept, but yours was still a woefully inept attempt at a put-down). I rather hoped that #2 and #3 would have given a hint as to why #1 — but "communication is not a single-player game" isn't just something I'm telling you so you can be better.

cammikebrown 3y ago

It’s not gonna be linear. Weather is also way, way more unpredictable than it was in 1981.

thfuran 3y ago

Cooling water from 3 to 1 C barely does anything. Why should cooling it an additional two degrees be any different?

gruez 3y ago
What's the scientific consensus on tipping points?
- thfuran 3y ago
  It's entirely certain that there are wet-bulb temperatures above which humans cannot survive for long and pretty certain that there are highly populated areas where a few more degrees warming globally means that those temperatures will be reached (or at least apprached, which is still dangerous) much more often. There are a variety of less direct potential tipping points, which may be more or less certain, but we can be quite confident that higher temperatures means more people dying in heat waves.
  - trashtester 3y ago
    If you examine the IPCC report maps [1] to see what areas have the greatest heating, wet tropical areas (like India and South-East Asia) tend to have less heating (in terms of degrees) than most other places. Some of the areas with the highest predicted temperature increases are relatively dry places, such as Siberia and several deserts. [1] https://www.un.org/nl/file/78475 https://www.un.org/nl/file/78475
    - thfuran 3y ago
      Sure, they aren't going to be warming the most, but they have already seen an increase in the incidence of heat waves nearing or reaching unlivable temperatures in the past few decades[1] and the incidence can be expected to continue increasing as average temperatures increase. [1] >Since 2005, wet-bulb temperature values above 95 degrees Fahrenheit have occurred for short periods of time on nine separate occasions in a few subtropical places like Pakistan and the Persian Gulf. They also appear to be becoming more frequent. In addition, incidences of slightly lower wet-bulb temperature values in the 90 to 95-degree Fahrenheit (32 to 35-degree Celsius) range have more than tripled over the 40 years studied by Raymond’s team. https://climate.nasa.gov/explore/ask-nasa-climate/3151/too-hot-to-handle-how-climate-change-may-make-some-places-too-hot-to-live/ https://climate.nasa.gov/explore/ask-nasa-climate/3151/too-h...

kubb 3y ago

Hmm? How could desertification, ocean acidification and water scarcity affect me? Hmm? Could anybody explain guys? It's not like I'm not going to be able to get groceries at the supermarket anymore, hmm? They'll still be cheap, right? There shouldn't be any mass migrations either...

gruez 3y ago
>Hmm? How could desertification, ocean acidification and water scarcity affect me? That doesn't answer the parent's question, which is that those events have been happening in the past few decades with seemingly no material effects.
- kubb 3y ago
  Right, I'm not sure what these exoterrorists are smoking. It's been fine and it's gonna be fine forever. It'll keep getting better in fact. All that threat modelling, ecosystem analysis, and understanding the consequences of current biochemical developments are just a bunch of alarmism, stressing us out for no reason... No need to understand what their data, methodology and conclusions are at all.

seaman1921 3y ago

thats how you boil a frog