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Java is king. Take away all the AI batch stuff and Python would shrink more. Putting python in production for online applications has many issues (trust me, I

Java is king. Take away all the AI batch stuff and Python would shrink more. Putting python in production for online applications has many issues (trust me, I know). Java is very robust, performs well, tons of mindshare, pretty good frameworks (Spring Boot, Quarkus), and very good IDE support.

sailorganymede 3y ago
Kotlins been magical for working w/ too!
dzonga 3y ago
the jvm is a powerful platform. but java itself sucks. yeah massive ecosystem. library for everything. but if thre's one thing that embodies complexity for the sake of complexity its java. java is also pragmatic. you're less likely to lose hair using java than python. but java sucks -- you've a lot of "come-from" statements that you can't easily grasp the code. maybe it's me just being a dumb mofo
adolph 3y ago
> Take away all the AI batch stuff and Python would shrink more. Isn’t that a but like saying “Take away all that enterprise stuff and Java would shrink more?”
- The-loan-wolf 3y ago
  Context here is "general purpose language" so yeah if you take away AI from python, python will decrease more
manfre 3y ago
> Take away all the AI batch stuff and Python would shrink more. Odd statement. Take away spring boot and Java would shrink more.
- valbaca 3y ago
  AI is in a hype-cycle. Spring boot isn't
  - mathisfun123 3y ago
    Lol so people are getting PhDs in hype? I think not. It's also been like 10-15 years at this point. Me thinks springboot will disappear before pytorch.
armchairhacker 3y ago
Java has: - A decent type system, which makes it better than Python, JavaScript, R - Runtime errors with good stack traces instead of UB for things like invalid casts or null dereference, which makes it better than C++ - Automatic memory management without complex borrowing rules, which makes it (arguably, for some situations) better than Rust - The JVM targets many different platforms and Java programs often “just work”, which makes it better than Swift - Decent abstraction, which makes it better than Go - Large ecosystem, which makes it better than Dart or Nim or Zig - C#? I’m not sure, C# is a lot like Java. IMO what Java has which is better than C# is Kotlin and better JetBrains support Now Java isn’t perfect. In fact I prefer Kotlin (always), Rust (despite the increased difficulty), and Swift (if the platform allows) as general-purpose languages. But unlike those, Java is one of the ancient big languages everyone knows about, and compared to the others (JavaScript, Python, C++) it’s the best general-purpose language by far.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  There is a certain irony that outside Windows, the best .NET IDE is based on the JVM. All because of politics.
myth_drannon 3y ago
Oracle owns Java which cancels any pros of that language.
- xwowsersx 3y ago
  Oracle does not own the Java programming language itself. Java is an open-source language, and Oracle primarily maintains Java SE and Java EE platforms implementation. But, there are other implementations and open-source versions of Java, e.g. OpenJDK, which are not owned by Oracle.

sailorganymede 3y ago

Kotlins been magical for working w/ too!

dzonga 3y ago

the jvm is a powerful platform. but java itself sucks. yeah massive ecosystem. library for everything. but if thre's one thing that embodies complexity for the sake of complexity its java. java is also pragmatic. you're less likely to lose hair using java than python. but java sucks -- you've a lot of "come-from" statements that you can't easily grasp the code. maybe it's me just being a dumb mofo

adolph 3y ago

> Take away all the AI batch stuff and Python would shrink more. Isn’t that a but like saying “Take away all that enterprise stuff and Java would shrink more?”

The-loan-wolf 3y ago
Context here is "general purpose language" so yeah if you take away AI from python, python will decrease more

manfre 3y ago

> Take away all the AI batch stuff and Python would shrink more. Odd statement. Take away spring boot and Java would shrink more.

valbaca 3y ago
AI is in a hype-cycle. Spring boot isn't
- mathisfun123 3y ago
  Lol so people are getting PhDs in hype? I think not. It's also been like 10-15 years at this point. Me thinks springboot will disappear before pytorch.

armchairhacker 3y ago

Java has: - A decent type system, which makes it better than Python, JavaScript, R - Runtime errors with good stack traces instead of UB for things like invalid casts or null dereference, which makes it better than C++ - Automatic memory management without complex borrowing rules, which makes it (arguably, for some situations) better than Rust - The JVM targets many different platforms and Java programs often “just work”, which makes it better than Swift - Decent abstraction, which makes it better than Go - Large ecosystem, which makes it better than Dart or Nim or Zig - C#? I’m not sure, C# is a lot like Java. IMO what Java has which is better than C# is Kotlin and better JetBrains support Now Java isn’t perfect. In fact I prefer Kotlin (always), Rust (despite the increased difficulty), and Swift (if the platform allows) as general-purpose languages. But unlike those, Java is one of the ancient big languages everyone knows about, and compared to the others (JavaScript, Python, C++) it’s the best general-purpose language by far.

pjmlp 3y ago
There is a certain irony that outside Windows, the best .NET IDE is based on the JVM. All because of politics.

myth_drannon 3y ago

Oracle owns Java which cancels any pros of that language.

xwowsersx 3y ago
Oracle does not own the Java programming language itself. Java is an open-source language, and Oracle primarily maintains Java SE and Java EE platforms implementation. But, there are other implementations and open-source versions of Java, e.g. OpenJDK, which are not owned by Oracle.