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Let's have an advertising company also have a monopoly on the web browser. What could possibly go wrong?

by HeckFeck 3y ago

throwaway2990 3y ago
You all voted for this.
- Larrikin 3y ago
  But Chrome loads 1000 tabs a second faster than Firefox, which makes Firefox totally unusable.
  - throwaway2990 3y ago
    I have more tabs open on Firefox than chrome and Firefox is faster. Chrome is massively annoying because it unloads the tab all the time. It sucks that I have to use chrome for work.
    - CaptainZapp 3y ago
      I think that parent was being sarcastic.
      - bee_rider 3y ago
        They were, but in different directions. Poster 1 was sarcastically pointing out an advantage that people claim Chrome has. Poster 2 was pointing out that it isn’t even true.
  - hskdhdkshs 3y ago
    the funny thing is: it doesn't. never did you only believe that because it was advertised, by the company who is the number one for advertisement, who would have though? i workedv with JavaScript performance at a top10 alexa site when that was talked about. chrome and firefox (and ie, heh) were always close. but all the chrome promoters focused on the aspects chrome was better... which changed monthly btw. today chrome string concatenation was fast. tomorrow firefox using string array mergers, etc. anyway, just created an account to point this wrong assumption out, even if it was posted as a joke. and i did have to solve a challenge (captcha) by the very advertising company we are talking about. sigh.
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
  - e61133e3 3y ago
    Only if you have 1 TB of RAM :P
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    You mean Firefox that also gets 90% of its funding from Google ads?
    - jurynulifcation 3y ago
      Yeah, but at least it's not chrome or directly benefits google. If China came out with a web browser, I'd use it. Just to starve American spyware corporations of a tiny bit of data.
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        Firefox sending traffic to Google in exchange for funding doesn’t benefit Google?
      - deleted 3y ago
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  - _chu1 3y ago
    I would gladly take privacy over speed any day.
- arrowsmith 3y ago
  Which major political party will stop this if I vote for them?
  - lemper 3y ago
    hizb ut tahrir.
    - trackflak 3y ago
      Takbir! Advertising is haram.
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
  - sph 3y ago
    Lucky you, none. You just need to go to https://www.mozilla.org/firefox https://www.mozilla.org/firefox and follow the instructions therein.
    - arrowsmith 3y ago
      Way ahead of you
- HeckFeck 3y ago
  I live in the UK, I try not to think of what anyone is voting for.
- bryanrasmussen 3y ago
  I have only ever used chrome if it was mandated by work, and even then I have argued to be allowed to use Firefox, such as at my current employer. on edit: admittedly this was because I was too lazy to change, but later on that laziness started looking like moral backbone!
- sph 3y ago
  All the annoyed people in this thread, reading this post from their Google Chrome window. And every time I mention this, I get a ton of excuses, from people that should know better, that they can't leave Google. Boo woo. There might be exceptions, but to the large majority of other lazy tech users, this is on you. Enshittification doesn't happen in a vacuum. You are passive actors to a shittier web.
  - M4v3R 3y ago
    I'm annoyed and I don't use Chrome. Do you have any statistics about browser usage of the HN crowd that backs your assertion?
  - meiraleal 3y ago
    I'm annoyed from Firefox because Firefox is currently terrible and not implementing web components and PWAs the right way so they don't become a headless browser for other apps.
- wildrhythms 3y ago
  Consumer-side activism has never worked. Only through regulatory action will these parasitic advertisers and the harmful industries around it be thwarted.
scarface_74 3y ago
Chrome is not installed on any desktop computer system by default except for ChromeOS that has 3% market share. Everyone that uses Chrome, went out of their way to download it. I personally don’t use Chrome. But I am assuming your answer is - government should stop people from using their own free will?
- jurynulifcation 3y ago
  A chromium-based browser is installed on every Windows desktop, which gives Google a huge market share under which to effectively and unilaterally dictate web standards
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    No one who is targeting the US market is going to ignore iOS users.
- cesarb 3y ago
  > Chrome is not installed on any desktop computer system by default except for ChromeOS that has 3% market share. Chrome is installed by default on the handheld computer system most people use, with AFAIK over 50% market share. Given that unfortunately more and more people are using handheld computers as their main or even only computing device, this is very relevant. > Everyone that uses Chrome, went out of their way to download it. Wasn't one of the drivers for Chrome's popularity that it came bundled with other desktop software people downloaded and installed? These people didn't go out of their way to download and install Chrome, that decision was made for them by someone else. > government should stop people from using their own free will? I believe those who want government intervention want it on the browser manufacturer side, not on the user's side.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    > Chrome is installed by default on the handheld computer system most people use, with AFAIK over 50% market share And if that 50% (actually 40% in the US) didn’t have privacy invasive Chrome installed - they would still be running Android which is made by the same company.

Let's have an advertising company also have a monopoly on the web browser. What could possibly go wrong?

throwaway2990 3y ago

You all voted for this.

Larrikin 3y ago
But Chrome loads 1000 tabs a second faster than Firefox, which makes Firefox totally unusable.
- throwaway2990 3y ago
  I have more tabs open on Firefox than chrome and Firefox is faster. Chrome is massively annoying because it unloads the tab all the time. It sucks that I have to use chrome for work.
  - CaptainZapp 3y ago
    I think that parent was being sarcastic.
    - bee_rider 3y ago
      They were, but in different directions. Poster 1 was sarcastically pointing out an advantage that people claim Chrome has. Poster 2 was pointing out that it isn’t even true.
- hskdhdkshs 3y ago
  the funny thing is: it doesn't. never did you only believe that because it was advertised, by the company who is the number one for advertisement, who would have though? i workedv with JavaScript performance at a top10 alexa site when that was talked about. chrome and firefox (and ie, heh) were always close. but all the chrome promoters focused on the aspects chrome was better... which changed monthly btw. today chrome string concatenation was fast. tomorrow firefox using string array mergers, etc. anyway, just created an account to point this wrong assumption out, even if it was posted as a joke. and i did have to solve a challenge (captcha) by the very advertising company we are talking about. sigh.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- e61133e3 3y ago
  Only if you have 1 TB of RAM :P
- scarface_74 3y ago
  You mean Firefox that also gets 90% of its funding from Google ads?
  - jurynulifcation 3y ago
    Yeah, but at least it's not chrome or directly benefits google. If China came out with a web browser, I'd use it. Just to starve American spyware corporations of a tiny bit of data.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      Firefox sending traffic to Google in exchange for funding doesn’t benefit Google?
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
- _chu1 3y ago
  I would gladly take privacy over speed any day.
arrowsmith 3y ago
Which major political party will stop this if I vote for them?
- lemper 3y ago
  hizb ut tahrir.
  - trackflak 3y ago
    Takbir! Advertising is haram.
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
- sph 3y ago
  Lucky you, none. You just need to go to https://www.mozilla.org/firefox https://www.mozilla.org/firefox and follow the instructions therein.
  - arrowsmith 3y ago
    Way ahead of you
HeckFeck 3y ago
I live in the UK, I try not to think of what anyone is voting for.
bryanrasmussen 3y ago
I have only ever used chrome if it was mandated by work, and even then I have argued to be allowed to use Firefox, such as at my current employer. on edit: admittedly this was because I was too lazy to change, but later on that laziness started looking like moral backbone!
sph 3y ago
All the annoyed people in this thread, reading this post from their Google Chrome window. And every time I mention this, I get a ton of excuses, from people that should know better, that they can't leave Google. Boo woo. There might be exceptions, but to the large majority of other lazy tech users, this is on you. Enshittification doesn't happen in a vacuum. You are passive actors to a shittier web.
- M4v3R 3y ago
  I'm annoyed and I don't use Chrome. Do you have any statistics about browser usage of the HN crowd that backs your assertion?
- meiraleal 3y ago
  I'm annoyed from Firefox because Firefox is currently terrible and not implementing web components and PWAs the right way so they don't become a headless browser for other apps.
wildrhythms 3y ago
Consumer-side activism has never worked. Only through regulatory action will these parasitic advertisers and the harmful industries around it be thwarted.

scarface_74 3y ago

Chrome is not installed on any desktop computer system by default except for ChromeOS that has 3% market share. Everyone that uses Chrome, went out of their way to download it. I personally don’t use Chrome. But I am assuming your answer is - government should stop people from using their own free will?

jurynulifcation 3y ago
A chromium-based browser is installed on every Windows desktop, which gives Google a huge market share under which to effectively and unilaterally dictate web standards
- scarface_74 3y ago
  No one who is targeting the US market is going to ignore iOS users.
cesarb 3y ago
> Chrome is not installed on any desktop computer system by default except for ChromeOS that has 3% market share. Chrome is installed by default on the handheld computer system most people use, with AFAIK over 50% market share. Given that unfortunately more and more people are using handheld computers as their main or even only computing device, this is very relevant. > Everyone that uses Chrome, went out of their way to download it. Wasn't one of the drivers for Chrome's popularity that it came bundled with other desktop software people downloaded and installed? These people didn't go out of their way to download and install Chrome, that decision was made for them by someone else. > government should stop people from using their own free will? I believe those who want government intervention want it on the browser manufacturer side, not on the user's side.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  > Chrome is installed by default on the handheld computer system most people use, with AFAIK over 50% market share And if that 50% (actually 40% in the US) didn’t have privacy invasive Chrome installed - they would still be running Android which is made by the same company.