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> Firefox remains a stable option to come back to everytime Don't get me wrong, I've been using Firefox for the last decade and I don't intend on using anythin

> Firefox remains a stable option to come back to everytime Don't get me wrong, I've been using Firefox for the last decade and I don't intend on using anything else for the foreseeable future, but Mozilla has no idea what they're doing with Firefox nowadays. Firefox View is the most useless thing I've ever seen, that expiring "independent voices" theme picker was some weird hippie stunt[1], the latest UI redesign which split the tab from the window looks hideous, and it's not like Firefox doesn't have things you can tweak for a more private experience[2]. I miss Firefox Test Pilot where they tried out different new features, I found a lot of them to be very useful but sadly lots of them didn't make it. I don't know what's going on at Mozilla but they seem to lack any vision, they're just existing as an option without trying to be the best option. [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/firefox-news/independent-voices/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/firefox-news/in... [2] https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js/ https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js/

madeofpalk 3y ago
I don't get this Firefox hate. I use Firefox and I'm pretty happy with it and the product's direction. I'm also fine igoring products and features that I'm not interested in.
- sshine 3y ago
  > I've been using Firefox for the last decade and I don't intend on using anything else > Mozilla has no idea what they're doing with Firefox > Mozilla [...] seem to lack any vision > they're just existing as an option without trying to be the best option It's not Firefox hate, it's disappointment in Mozilla.
- smarkov 3y ago
  > I don't get this Firefox hate. Just because I'm criticizing something doesn't mean I hate it. I want it to be better, and that's something Firefox needs if it wants to get out of the bottom in terms of usage.
  - kjkjadksj 3y ago
    Firefox being at the bottom has nothing to do with what mozilla does. Its because they are going against google that pesters you to download chrome. The network effects of everyone downloading chrome for 15 years. The idea that google is one of the largest companies on earth and mozilla is a rag tag team. Firefox is better. You objectively have a worse experience on chrome or edge or safari. Most users otoh just don’t care about vetting software. They stick to what they know. Go to a library or cafe and be disappointed how many people browse the web with zero ad blocking because they simply don’t know any better.
    - qaq 3y ago
      Alternatively if instead of spending most of resources on management vanity projects Mozilla focused on Firefox instead maybe things could be better.
- wolverine876 3y ago
  I think we can recognize at this late date that most 'hate' on the Internet is about a form of fun, one kind of social interaction and self-expression and not about the object of abuse. People express hate about everything under the sun (and on HN). Most of it is a performative rant, sort of like a stand-up comedy routine. The target is just material for the routine; nobody takes the comedian too seriously. Every HN thread has it.
bee_rider 3y ago
Web browsers don’t need innovation or vision at this point. They are just the medium for displaying content. If we kept trying to innovate paper, it would just be annoying too.
kjkjadksj 3y ago
Firefox is perfectly customizable. You can make the tabs look however you want with a config. Want them out of the way and appear when you mouse over on the left edge? You can have it like that. You also don’t need to use any features you don’t want to use. You can even hide them entirely with a config file.

madeofpalk 3y ago

I don't get this Firefox hate. I use Firefox and I'm pretty happy with it and the product's direction. I'm also fine igoring products and features that I'm not interested in.

sshine 3y ago
> I've been using Firefox for the last decade and I don't intend on using anything else > Mozilla has no idea what they're doing with Firefox > Mozilla [...] seem to lack any vision > they're just existing as an option without trying to be the best option It's not Firefox hate, it's disappointment in Mozilla.
smarkov 3y ago
> I don't get this Firefox hate. Just because I'm criticizing something doesn't mean I hate it. I want it to be better, and that's something Firefox needs if it wants to get out of the bottom in terms of usage.
- kjkjadksj 3y ago
  Firefox being at the bottom has nothing to do with what mozilla does. Its because they are going against google that pesters you to download chrome. The network effects of everyone downloading chrome for 15 years. The idea that google is one of the largest companies on earth and mozilla is a rag tag team. Firefox is better. You objectively have a worse experience on chrome or edge or safari. Most users otoh just don’t care about vetting software. They stick to what they know. Go to a library or cafe and be disappointed how many people browse the web with zero ad blocking because they simply don’t know any better.
  - qaq 3y ago
    Alternatively if instead of spending most of resources on management vanity projects Mozilla focused on Firefox instead maybe things could be better.
wolverine876 3y ago
I think we can recognize at this late date that most 'hate' on the Internet is about a form of fun, one kind of social interaction and self-expression and not about the object of abuse. People express hate about everything under the sun (and on HN). Most of it is a performative rant, sort of like a stand-up comedy routine. The target is just material for the routine; nobody takes the comedian too seriously. Every HN thread has it.

bee_rider 3y ago

Web browsers don’t need innovation or vision at this point. They are just the medium for displaying content. If we kept trying to innovate paper, it would just be annoying too.

kjkjadksj 3y ago

Firefox is perfectly customizable. You can make the tabs look however you want with a config. Want them out of the way and appear when you mouse over on the left edge? You can have it like that. You also don’t need to use any features you don’t want to use. You can even hide them entirely with a config file.