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Yup. With Linux I don't get bullied to install their stuff. But you'll say "but you get bugs, less mature desktop environment" (just one point of my daily usage

by wiz21c 3y ago

Yup. With Linux I don't get bullied to install their stuff. But you'll say "but you get bugs, less mature desktop environment" (just one point of my daily usage). Yeah sure, but instead of complaining about being bullied I get a chance to help the folks who make the programs I use (bug reports, small commits). So instead of a negative feeling, I have a positive feeling. That's an enormous difference to me. Let's have this cheap Linux phone and my life will be great.

thfuran 3y ago
> I get a chance to help the folks who make the programs I use (bug reports, small commits Approximately 0.0% of users see that as an opportunity.
- wiz21c 3y ago
  Approximately 0.0% of the users actually produce those programs. And yet, we got those programs...
  - thfuran 3y ago
    Yes, the fact that there are far more users than developers is my point. "All users have a choice! They just need to learn to write and debug software to address the bugs they'll encounter in the alternatives" is a bit of an unreasonable position.
marcodiego 3y ago
> "but you get bugs, less mature desktop environment" I don't think a linux distro maintained since 2020 feels less mature of more buggy than proprietary alternatives.
- alpaca128 3y ago
  Agreed. I'm currently on Mac OS and almost daily I get UI glitches/bugs in the dock and notifications, which puzzles me a bit. I mean I understand that they don't care about whatever crashes the terminal when it runs with 10 windows for weeks at a time, but the dock is visible for all users and I don't think I'm doing anything special to it.
rapind 3y ago
> With Linux I don't get bullied to install their stuff. $ sudo apt full-upgrade ... Get more security updates through Ubuntu Pro with 'esm-apps' enabled ... Learn more about Ubuntu Pro at https://xxxxxxxxxxxxx/pro https://xxxxxxxxxxxxx/pro
- _cenw 3y ago
  That's not even close to the same quality of nagging, on a single distro.
- 9991 3y ago
  Yea, there are distros with ads and tracking, and that's a stain on them, and on the people who willingly put up with it. Debian and Pop!_OS are great, btw.

by wiz21c 3y ago

thfuran 3y ago

> I get a chance to help the folks who make the programs I use (bug reports, small commits Approximately 0.0% of users see that as an opportunity.

wiz21c 3y ago
Approximately 0.0% of the users actually produce those programs. And yet, we got those programs...
- thfuran 3y ago
  Yes, the fact that there are far more users than developers is my point. "All users have a choice! They just need to learn to write and debug software to address the bugs they'll encounter in the alternatives" is a bit of an unreasonable position.

marcodiego 3y ago

> "but you get bugs, less mature desktop environment" I don't think a linux distro maintained since 2020 feels less mature of more buggy than proprietary alternatives.

alpaca128 3y ago
Agreed. I'm currently on Mac OS and almost daily I get UI glitches/bugs in the dock and notifications, which puzzles me a bit. I mean I understand that they don't care about whatever crashes the terminal when it runs with 10 windows for weeks at a time, but the dock is visible for all users and I don't think I'm doing anything special to it.

rapind 3y ago

> With Linux I don't get bullied to install their stuff. $ sudo apt full-upgrade ... Get more security updates through Ubuntu Pro with 'esm-apps' enabled ... Learn more about Ubuntu Pro at https://xxxxxxxxxxxxx/pro https://xxxxxxxxxxxxx/pro

_cenw 3y ago
That's not even close to the same quality of nagging, on a single distro.
9991 3y ago
Yea, there are distros with ads and tracking, and that's a stain on them, and on the people who willingly put up with it. Debian and Pop!_OS are great, btw.