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I think it's also acceptable for the country to just be advanced enough that everyone knows they could build nukes very quickly if it came down to it. Japan ha

I think it's also acceptable for the country to just be advanced enough that everyone knows they could build nukes very quickly if it came down to it. Japan has the American nuclear umbrella, but it's also obvious to most people interested in the topic that if faced with an existential threat and if for some reason the US didn't fulfill its treaty obligations, Japan could build its own bombs within a year or two.

FpUser 3y ago
>"if for some reason the US didn't fulfill its treaty obligations, Japan could build its own bombs within a year or two." If attacked by nukes they will not be able to build shit.
- dotnet00 3y ago
  Typically nukes don't start flying out of nowhere. There's a chain of escalations that leads up to their first strike use.
  - sylware 3y ago
    and of course the attacker would not know that and would give time to japan or south korea for them to acquire nuke tech? Really?
    - dotnet00 3y ago
      What? Are you saying that a potential attacker would preemptively nuke Japan before tensions escalate if Japan started developing nukes? Because if so, what ridiculous world do you live in? That'd be like Russia flat out nuking Ukraine last year instead of bothering with an invasion.
      - sylware 3y ago
        What does make you believe all attackers would behave like putin? Do you realize how lucky has been Ukraine in this abomination of war? I am not sure I am the delusional guy here.
  - FpUser 3y ago
    Typically we do not know shit about it. If / when it starts we will.
sylware 3y ago
Which official treaty does give US nuclear umbrella to Japan and South Korea?
- dotnet00 3y ago
  I'm not sure of the exact treaty, but every result on Google says that Japan is under the US nuclear umbrella.
  - sylware 3y ago
    Not sure exact treaty for something which should be clear cut? Really?
    - dotnet00 3y ago
      Well, since someone else was able to clarify, let's see if you keep up with this approach of asking questions without ever making a meaningful point.
- dr_orpheus 3y ago
  Two individual ones. USA has individual bilateral security agreements with both. "Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan" or just the US-Japan Security treaty [0] "Mutual Defense Treaty (United States–South Korea)" [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Mutual_Cooperation_and_Security_between_the_United_States_and_Japan#:~:text=The%20Treaty%20of%20Mutual%20Cooperation%20and%20Security%20between,%22in%20the%20territories%20under%20the%20administration%20of%20Japan%22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Mutual_Cooperation_a.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_Defense_Treaty_(United_States%E2%80%93South_Korea) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_Defense_Treaty_(United_...
  - sylware 3y ago
    Thank you. Unlike some posters here (chatgpt?), I don't understand why my google is not giving me any meaningful results, not even on wikipedia. I would not be surprised to see a Tawainese elite exodus towards those countries.

FpUser 3y ago

>"if for some reason the US didn't fulfill its treaty obligations, Japan could build its own bombs within a year or two." If attacked by nukes they will not be able to build shit.

dotnet00 3y ago
Typically nukes don't start flying out of nowhere. There's a chain of escalations that leads up to their first strike use.
- sylware 3y ago
  and of course the attacker would not know that and would give time to japan or south korea for them to acquire nuke tech? Really?
  - dotnet00 3y ago
    What? Are you saying that a potential attacker would preemptively nuke Japan before tensions escalate if Japan started developing nukes? Because if so, what ridiculous world do you live in? That'd be like Russia flat out nuking Ukraine last year instead of bothering with an invasion.
    - sylware 3y ago
      What does make you believe all attackers would behave like putin? Do you realize how lucky has been Ukraine in this abomination of war? I am not sure I am the delusional guy here.
- FpUser 3y ago
  Typically we do not know shit about it. If / when it starts we will.

sylware 3y ago

Which official treaty does give US nuclear umbrella to Japan and South Korea?

dotnet00 3y ago
I'm not sure of the exact treaty, but every result on Google says that Japan is under the US nuclear umbrella.
- sylware 3y ago
  Not sure exact treaty for something which should be clear cut? Really?
  - dotnet00 3y ago
    Well, since someone else was able to clarify, let's see if you keep up with this approach of asking questions without ever making a meaningful point.
dr_orpheus 3y ago
Two individual ones. USA has individual bilateral security agreements with both. "Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan" or just the US-Japan Security treaty [0] "Mutual Defense Treaty (United States–South Korea)" [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Mutual_Cooperation_and_Security_between_the_United_States_and_Japan#:~:text=The%20Treaty%20of%20Mutual%20Cooperation%20and%20Security%20between,%22in%20the%20territories%20under%20the%20administration%20of%20Japan%22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Mutual_Cooperation_a.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_Defense_Treaty_(United_States%E2%80%93South_Korea) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_Defense_Treaty_(United_...
- sylware 3y ago
  Thank you. Unlike some posters here (chatgpt?), I don't understand why my google is not giving me any meaningful results, not even on wikipedia. I would not be surprised to see a Tawainese elite exodus towards those countries.