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I don’t understand how this is a problem that I don’t have. I bought a new dishwasher like 2 months ago and it’s the best I’ve ever had. The eco mode works gre

by thiht 3y ago

I don’t understand how this is a problem that I don’t have. I bought a new dishwasher like 2 months ago and it’s the best I’ve ever had. The eco mode works great. A few times I’ve had very greasy pans so I switched to the 60°C mode instead and it’s great. My dishes are very clean. Do y’all use the correct amount of detergent? Regenerating salts, with the correct setting ? Rinsing fluid? Do you correctly put the detergent in the trap and not directly in the dishwasher? (I’ve seen tons of people do that, of course it doesn’t work, all the detergent is used in the prewash) Do you organize it correctly? If so there’s no reason for a dishwasher to not do it’s job.

2-718-281-828 3y ago
same here. i'd assume it boils down to common sense which some folks are blessed with while others lake in this department. if you place your stuff keeping in mind where the water comes from, don't wait with washing until food is surface dried and remove excessive grease and fat before hand then results should be fine. also there is a place to put salt and rinse aid for a reason if it isn't provided by the tab.
themoose8 3y ago
The article is from 2020, maybe the regulation has come into effect.
leoedin 3y ago
I live in the UK, so our appliance standards are different. However, I just looked at my current dishwasher - it uses 0.85 kWh/cycle and 11.5L per cycle. I think the assumption in the US is 215 cycles a year - so that means 183 kWh/year and 3 gallons / cycle. That seems to be less than this limit. And, it's totally fine? It cleans dishes. It takes a few hours - but then it's pretty rare I need all my dishes immediately anyway. I've got enough so even if it's full there's a glass or a plate available. I use the all in one tablets - it has a special tablet mode that opens the door pretty much immediately. I never pre-rinse plates. I think I clean the filters every 3-6 months under the kitchen tap. Takes about 2 minutes. This article seems to be conservatism (in the sense of "change is bad") for the sake of it.
mrweasel 3y ago
The whole temperature thing doesn't make much sense to me either. Mostly dishwashers are designed to run at 30, 40 or 60C, depending on what you clean. If they wanted to make great dishwashers, the cleaning isn't the problem, it's the stupid mushy buttons. Give me actual good buttons.
seszett 3y ago
The topic of dishwashers comes up regularly on HN and it's always the same, comments are mostly filled by people complaining about dishwashers not working well, environmental regulation, etc. I assume most people who don't actually have a problem just don't comment. Anyway, for another datapoint I have a rather recent dishwasher (in the EU) and it works about as well as the older dishwasher I had before, or the one my parents had 20 years ago. It does take 4 hours to run a load, which is fine, I've always run my dishwashers at night so I'm not even sure how long it took the others. So I don't think they're getting worse. But as a sibling comment said, I wish the buttons were more responsive, not sure why it takes about two seconds for the thing to wake up after pressing the power button.
- jtbayly 3y ago
  4 hours is not fine in a lot of circumstances.
  - seszett 3y ago
    The fast program takes 30 minutes and works fine, I've used it once or twice maybe in the last four years.
  - thiht 3y ago
    How so? If you run it at night, not an issue. If you run it after lunch, not an issue, everything is available before it’s time to prepare dinner. If you’re organized I don’t see how 4 hours is a problem, unless you cook every 3 hours? And if you need things right away, even a 1hour dishwasher would be too long, if your issue is time just hand wash your dishes.
    - jtbayly 3y ago
      If you run it after breakfast dishes aren't available at all before lunch. If you run it after dinner, dishes can't be finished (put away) until the next morning unless you want to stay up late.
      - 3y ago
leokennis 3y ago
I felt the same reading this. I'm in the EU and have a very middle of the road Bosch dishwasher. I run it on the Eco program at night (when I pay a lower energy price) with a 3-in-1 tab in it. I start it around 23:00, sometime during the night it finishes, in the morning I have clean dishes...
deltarholamda 3y ago
>I bought a new dishwasher like 2 months ago and it’s the best I’ve ever had. I bought a new one just this year. And yes, it does do a pretty good job. But if you read the article, one of the complaints is that it takes a lot longer, and that is true for me as well. Way back in the 90s, I had a new dishwasher that was really cheap, and pretty noisy, but it would do a load of dishes in about an hour. My new one is 2+ hours. Keeping the dishwasher quiet, which is a consumer demand, not a regulatory demand, affects your wash time. If you don't care about the noise, you can have a more powerful pump spraying a harder stream of water, and as a bonus, less sound-deadening insulation means you can cram more dishes in there.
- thiht 3y ago
  My dishwasher takes 4 hours in eco mode but I don’t see how that’s a problem? I either run it at night when it has plenty of time to run, or right after lunch so that the dishes are clean when it’s time to prepare dinner. I feel like if you need them quickly, 1 hour would be too long anyway, no?
  - deltarholamda 3y ago
    If you've got a big family and cook a lot, you might run the dishwasher a couple of times a day. Not everybody's use case is the same. But would you accept 100% slower, or 400% slower in your case, if it was your computer?
- fouc 3y ago
  Think it's more to do with efficiency / eco reasons that it takes 4 hours. It soaks the dishes then turns off and waits, and does this multiple times. This minimizes the actual amount of work needed. It's not spraying continuously like an older dishwasher might.

by thiht 3y ago

2-718-281-828 3y ago

same here. i'd assume it boils down to common sense which some folks are blessed with while others lake in this department. if you place your stuff keeping in mind where the water comes from, don't wait with washing until food is surface dried and remove excessive grease and fat before hand then results should be fine. also there is a place to put salt and rinse aid for a reason if it isn't provided by the tab.

themoose8 3y ago

The article is from 2020, maybe the regulation has come into effect.

leoedin 3y ago

I live in the UK, so our appliance standards are different. However, I just looked at my current dishwasher - it uses 0.85 kWh/cycle and 11.5L per cycle. I think the assumption in the US is 215 cycles a year - so that means 183 kWh/year and 3 gallons / cycle. That seems to be less than this limit. And, it's totally fine? It cleans dishes. It takes a few hours - but then it's pretty rare I need all my dishes immediately anyway. I've got enough so even if it's full there's a glass or a plate available. I use the all in one tablets - it has a special tablet mode that opens the door pretty much immediately. I never pre-rinse plates. I think I clean the filters every 3-6 months under the kitchen tap. Takes about 2 minutes. This article seems to be conservatism (in the sense of "change is bad") for the sake of it.

mrweasel 3y ago

The whole temperature thing doesn't make much sense to me either. Mostly dishwashers are designed to run at 30, 40 or 60C, depending on what you clean. If they wanted to make great dishwashers, the cleaning isn't the problem, it's the stupid mushy buttons. Give me actual good buttons.

seszett 3y ago

The topic of dishwashers comes up regularly on HN and it's always the same, comments are mostly filled by people complaining about dishwashers not working well, environmental regulation, etc. I assume most people who don't actually have a problem just don't comment. Anyway, for another datapoint I have a rather recent dishwasher (in the EU) and it works about as well as the older dishwasher I had before, or the one my parents had 20 years ago. It does take 4 hours to run a load, which is fine, I've always run my dishwashers at night so I'm not even sure how long it took the others. So I don't think they're getting worse. But as a sibling comment said, I wish the buttons were more responsive, not sure why it takes about two seconds for the thing to wake up after pressing the power button.

jtbayly 3y ago
4 hours is not fine in a lot of circumstances.
- seszett 3y ago
  The fast program takes 30 minutes and works fine, I've used it once or twice maybe in the last four years.
- thiht 3y ago
  How so? If you run it at night, not an issue. If you run it after lunch, not an issue, everything is available before it’s time to prepare dinner. If you’re organized I don’t see how 4 hours is a problem, unless you cook every 3 hours? And if you need things right away, even a 1hour dishwasher would be too long, if your issue is time just hand wash your dishes.
  - jtbayly 3y ago
    If you run it after breakfast dishes aren't available at all before lunch. If you run it after dinner, dishes can't be finished (put away) until the next morning unless you want to stay up late.
    - 3y ago

leokennis 3y ago

I felt the same reading this. I'm in the EU and have a very middle of the road Bosch dishwasher. I run it on the Eco program at night (when I pay a lower energy price) with a 3-in-1 tab in it. I start it around 23:00, sometime during the night it finishes, in the morning I have clean dishes...

deltarholamda 3y ago

>I bought a new dishwasher like 2 months ago and it’s the best I’ve ever had. I bought a new one just this year. And yes, it does do a pretty good job. But if you read the article, one of the complaints is that it takes a lot longer, and that is true for me as well. Way back in the 90s, I had a new dishwasher that was really cheap, and pretty noisy, but it would do a load of dishes in about an hour. My new one is 2+ hours. Keeping the dishwasher quiet, which is a consumer demand, not a regulatory demand, affects your wash time. If you don't care about the noise, you can have a more powerful pump spraying a harder stream of water, and as a bonus, less sound-deadening insulation means you can cram more dishes in there.

thiht 3y ago
My dishwasher takes 4 hours in eco mode but I don’t see how that’s a problem? I either run it at night when it has plenty of time to run, or right after lunch so that the dishes are clean when it’s time to prepare dinner. I feel like if you need them quickly, 1 hour would be too long anyway, no?
- deltarholamda 3y ago
  If you've got a big family and cook a lot, you might run the dishwasher a couple of times a day. Not everybody's use case is the same. But would you accept 100% slower, or 400% slower in your case, if it was your computer?
fouc 3y ago
Think it's more to do with efficiency / eco reasons that it takes 4 hours. It soaks the dishes then turns off and waits, and does this multiple times. This minimizes the actual amount of work needed. It's not spraying continuously like an older dishwasher might.