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>The world is rapidly growing in complexity Only if you work in stuff like tech, but the world still needs many other jobs like plumbers, police officers, etc.

>The world is rapidly growing in complexity Only if you work in stuff like tech, but the world still needs many other jobs like plumbers, police officers, etc. who's jobs don't change that fast.

hef19898 3y ago
Even tech, software and hardware, unless you develop said tech, the use for said tech didn't really change fundamentally since social media came around. And that arguably only affected media and advertizing. What is posing problems now is the necessary transition from our old "system" (Western OEMs using Asian suppliers and burning fossil fuels, to oversimplify it) to something different (politically, socially, economically and technologically). Seems somewhere between 25 and just shy of 50 percent of any given population have serious problems accepting and adapting to that.
com2kid 3y ago
Have you seen modern plumbing? Solar heaters for water, grey water reclamation systems, hydronic heating, smart controllers for garden sprinklers. I've talked to quite a few very smart plumbers. The ones at the top of the field (earning good $) work with complex setups.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  Majority of plumbing work (which also pays well) is still just fixing legacy pipework from old building that's decaying and needing repairs or replacements, not installing the latest heat-pump powered 'Butt-Squirter 2000', which still uses the same plumbing concepts of the last 100 years.
  - dagw 3y ago
    Majority of plumbing work (which also pays well) Does it? Last time I had major plumbing work done, a guy showed up in a very nice car (he no doubt earned very well) looked at what needed to be done and gave us quote. The two guys who barely spoke English and where on site 8-10 hours a day for a week actually doing the actual work probably earned considerably less.
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      >The two guys who barely spoke English and where on site 8-10 hours a day for a week actually doing the actual work probably earned considerably less. US might be a different beast. I live in western Europe where qualified plumbers earn well because it's a credentialed job and labor exploitation of migrants in credentialed Jobs is less of an issue (but still does happen). You can't just hire some migrants off the street and send them off to do plumbing for you. A plumber in Denmark can sometimes earn more than a SW developer.
  - com2kid 3y ago
    > Majority of plumbing work (which also pays well) is still just fixing legacy pipework from old building that's decaying and needing repairs or replacements, not installing the latest heat-pump powered 'Butt-Squirter 2000', which still uses the same plumbing concepts of the last 100 years. This describes software engineering as well, it is just that this site is biased towards people building new stuff rather than engineers who do maintenance work! FWIW the plumbers I know live in nice custom houses and enjoy learning about new things all the time.
ReptileMan 3y ago
But then the western europe governments policy of porous borders and Gastarbeiter imports make sure that there can never really be a shortage of semi skilled labor so it is not clear if those trades can bring you to the middle class
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  That's how the "free market" works. If you can't afford a house anymore because it got too expensive, then sorry mate, you're out of luck, that's the fair price of the "free market" supply/demand. Nothing we can do about it, try being less poor next time. But if a company can't find cheap labor for the price it's willing to pay (aka labor shortage), then they can import as many workers as possible with the help of the government, until the price of labor comes down to the level they deem "fair".
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sparrowInHand 3y ago
.. and spanish translators.. for now..

>The world is rapidly growing in complexity Only if you work in stuff like tech, but the world still needs many other jobs like plumbers, police officers, etc. who's jobs don't change that fast.

hef19898 3y ago

Even tech, software and hardware, unless you develop said tech, the use for said tech didn't really change fundamentally since social media came around. And that arguably only affected media and advertizing. What is posing problems now is the necessary transition from our old "system" (Western OEMs using Asian suppliers and burning fossil fuels, to oversimplify it) to something different (politically, socially, economically and technologically). Seems somewhere between 25 and just shy of 50 percent of any given population have serious problems accepting and adapting to that.

com2kid 3y ago

Have you seen modern plumbing? Solar heaters for water, grey water reclamation systems, hydronic heating, smart controllers for garden sprinklers. I've talked to quite a few very smart plumbers. The ones at the top of the field (earning good $) work with complex setups.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
Majority of plumbing work (which also pays well) is still just fixing legacy pipework from old building that's decaying and needing repairs or replacements, not installing the latest heat-pump powered 'Butt-Squirter 2000', which still uses the same plumbing concepts of the last 100 years.
- dagw 3y ago
  Majority of plumbing work (which also pays well) Does it? Last time I had major plumbing work done, a guy showed up in a very nice car (he no doubt earned very well) looked at what needed to be done and gave us quote. The two guys who barely spoke English and where on site 8-10 hours a day for a week actually doing the actual work probably earned considerably less.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    >The two guys who barely spoke English and where on site 8-10 hours a day for a week actually doing the actual work probably earned considerably less. US might be a different beast. I live in western Europe where qualified plumbers earn well because it's a credentialed job and labor exploitation of migrants in credentialed Jobs is less of an issue (but still does happen). You can't just hire some migrants off the street and send them off to do plumbing for you. A plumber in Denmark can sometimes earn more than a SW developer.
- com2kid 3y ago
  > Majority of plumbing work (which also pays well) is still just fixing legacy pipework from old building that's decaying and needing repairs or replacements, not installing the latest heat-pump powered 'Butt-Squirter 2000', which still uses the same plumbing concepts of the last 100 years. This describes software engineering as well, it is just that this site is biased towards people building new stuff rather than engineers who do maintenance work! FWIW the plumbers I know live in nice custom houses and enjoy learning about new things all the time.

ReptileMan 3y ago

But then the western europe governments policy of porous borders and Gastarbeiter imports make sure that there can never really be a shortage of semi skilled labor so it is not clear if those trades can bring you to the middle class

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
That's how the "free market" works. If you can't afford a house anymore because it got too expensive, then sorry mate, you're out of luck, that's the fair price of the "free market" supply/demand. Nothing we can do about it, try being less poor next time. But if a company can't find cheap labor for the price it's willing to pay (aka labor shortage), then they can import as many workers as possible with the help of the government, until the price of labor comes down to the level they deem "fair".
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sparrowInHand 3y ago

.. and spanish translators.. for now..