4 ms·

Glad to see someone else chasing this down, and not surprised this is still not yet reproducible. Paul Thurrott and I were also scratching our heads with this

Glad to see someone else chasing this down, and not surprised this is still not yet reproducible. Paul Thurrott and I were also scratching our heads with this one on August 25. After failing to reproduce the behavior, he wrote up our collective experience [1] the next day. We chalked it up to yet another Windows Insider screw up, marked it as an unsolved case, and moved on. I certainly hope the change eventually makes it into the OS before the Windows 11 "23H2" release is finalized (imminent). [1] https://www.thurrott.com/paul/287711/scaling-back-the-terrible-in-windows-11-and-other-stories-id-like-to-tell https://www.thurrott.com/paul/287711/scaling-back-the-terrib... (pay-walled)

eganist 3y ago
I remember when we first found out that IE could be "uninstalled" from Windows 7 (it was a checkbox in an early build's programs list that let you have it removed, basically). Interesting seeing the about-face over a decade later. --- for those not aware, Rafael's almost a two decade long authority on the topic of smashing Windows internals to bits to see how it all works.
- hnlmorg 3y ago
  I remember when we first found out that IE could be uninstalled from Windows 98 and thus what eventually lead the EU to mandate Microsoft give Windows users a choice of 3rd party browsers. Back then businesses were a lot more scared of the repercussions of anti-competitive behaviour than they are now.
  - rjbwork 3y ago
    >Back then businesses were a lot more scared of the repercussions of anti-competitive behaviour than they are now. Reasonably, too. Governments seem reluctant to actually regulate anti-competitive behavior these days, especially from tech giants. I think it must be a kind of technological "too big to fail".
    - midasuni 3y ago
      Big businesses have more resource and more ability to manipulate the public than democratic governments
      - isanjay 3y ago
        Big businesses buy politicians too...
        midasuni 3y ago
        The usual solution from libertarian techies is to remove what little power democratic governments have and let big business be unchecked other than some “invisible hand” from a collection of individual actors who can’t scale due to psychological warfare that big companies can easily scale to. We are now at a point that billionaires openly make unilateral decisions about foreign and defence policy with little discussion in public eyes, let alone checks and balances.
        sneak 3y ago
        I think this is curve-fitting. Billionaires in the USA are completely and totally beholden to the military-industrial complex, for the most part. Look how they all scrambled for JEDI, for example. The US military alone spends the entire net worth of the richest private person in 17 weeks, wealth it took him 30-ish years to accumulate; that's not counting the rest of government spending. There's an argument that any senator is "richer" than the richest private person in the country. It's not even the same ballpark. Did you have specific instances in mind?
        bluecheese452 3y ago
        A senator is not richer than the richest person in the country. Neither in money nor influence.
        nativeit 3y ago
        The banana republics aren’t all that old. President Isenhour’s administration were toppling sovereign governments and democratically elected leaders directly at the behest of Dole Foods (United Fruit) well after World War II ended.

eganist 3y ago

I remember when we first found out that IE could be "uninstalled" from Windows 7 (it was a checkbox in an early build's programs list that let you have it removed, basically). Interesting seeing the about-face over a decade later. --- for those not aware, Rafael's almost a two decade long authority on the topic of smashing Windows internals to bits to see how it all works.

hnlmorg 3y ago
I remember when we first found out that IE could be uninstalled from Windows 98 and thus what eventually lead the EU to mandate Microsoft give Windows users a choice of 3rd party browsers. Back then businesses were a lot more scared of the repercussions of anti-competitive behaviour than they are now.
- rjbwork 3y ago
  >Back then businesses were a lot more scared of the repercussions of anti-competitive behaviour than they are now. Reasonably, too. Governments seem reluctant to actually regulate anti-competitive behavior these days, especially from tech giants. I think it must be a kind of technological "too big to fail".
  - midasuni 3y ago
    Big businesses have more resource and more ability to manipulate the public than democratic governments
    - isanjay 3y ago
      Big businesses buy politicians too...
      - midasuni 3y ago
        The usual solution from libertarian techies is to remove what little power democratic governments have and let big business be unchecked other than some “invisible hand” from a collection of individual actors who can’t scale due to psychological warfare that big companies can easily scale to. We are now at a point that billionaires openly make unilateral decisions about foreign and defence policy with little discussion in public eyes, let alone checks and balances.
        sneak 3y ago
        I think this is curve-fitting. Billionaires in the USA are completely and totally beholden to the military-industrial complex, for the most part. Look how they all scrambled for JEDI, for example. The US military alone spends the entire net worth of the richest private person in 17 weeks, wealth it took him 30-ish years to accumulate; that's not counting the rest of government spending. There's an argument that any senator is "richer" than the richest private person in the country. It's not even the same ballpark. Did you have specific instances in mind?
        bluecheese452 3y ago
        A senator is not richer than the richest person in the country. Neither in money nor influence.
        nativeit 3y ago
        The banana republics aren’t all that old. President Isenhour’s administration were toppling sovereign governments and democratically elected leaders directly at the behest of Dole Foods (United Fruit) well after World War II ended.