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None of My Students Remember 9/11 (2021)

21 points by fortran77 3y ago

fortran77 3y ago
She may have a better time finding students who are more emotionally connected at a school other than Stanford.
- toast0 3y ago
  There's also the fact that this was written 20 years after the event, and most college students are around the ages of 18-25. You can't remember an event you were born after, and most people don't remember much that happened before they were about 5. If you were 5 or less when it happened, you may not have even known that it happened for some time, depending on where you lived, how your parents handled it, and if you were in a daycare/school setting, what you got from others there.
lapcat 3y ago
(2021)
lapcat 3y ago
> On 9/11, the president and his advisers were hustled onto Air Force One and into underground emergency bunkers Um, no, that's not what happened. Apparently the teacher doesn't remember either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pet_Goat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pet_Goat
- ed_westin 3y ago
  >According to Bill Sammon's book Fighting Back, Bush's gaze flitted about the room—the children, the press, the floor, his staff—while his mind raced about everything he did not yet know.
  - netsharc 3y ago
    It seems quite un-presidential to think "Let me just sit here for another 10 minutes with these kids so they don't panic."... He (with 22 years of hindsight) could've just said "I'm sorry kids, something's come up that need my attention, so I'm going to have to go now.". Of course he didn't have any power to actually alter anything at that very moment (the attacks were basically done), but it was during such a fog of war that he/his team wouldn't have known yet that they were powerless...
- lern_too_spel 3y ago
  The President was put onto Air Force One: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/were-the-only-plane-in-the-sky-214230/ https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/were-the-onl... From there, he was taken to STRATCOM, which was in an underground bunker: https://www.ketv.com/article/tracing-president-bushs-path-at-offutt-afb/37565016 https://www.ketv.com/article/tracing-president-bushs-path-at...
- talldatethrow 3y ago
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  - lapcat 3y ago
    > What is your thought process for thinking the president was not hustled onto air force one? He just stayed wherever he was at.... For how long? There is an actual video recording of George W. Bush sitting in the classroom with the kids when the 9/11 attacks occurred. Watch it for yourself, in Michael Moore's documentary Fahrenheit 9/11: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_9/11 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_9/11 After that, you can come back here and apologize for disparaging me. Or you can apologize now...
    - talldatethrow 3y ago
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      - lapcat 3y ago
        > Dude, we all know where he was.... We all saw him reading the book. The submitted article is specifically about how many people, especially younger people, don't remember 9/11. Thus, "we all know" is a mistaken assumption. > Reread my post and actually try to answer the questions. The video recording of the President answers the questions. You asked what my "thought process" was, but I wasn't speculating; as you seem to acknowledge, there's a video, of which nobody has ever disputed the authenticity (because of course there were plenty of eyewitnesses on the scene too), that we can watch and thereby verify the timeline. There's no factual dispute whatsoever that Bush was told America is under attack, and he just sat there doing nothing for excruciating minutes, then lingered in the classroom, making no attempt to "hustle" out of there and take command of the situation.
        talldatethrow 3y ago
        Lol ok so now you finally admit that he was moved into Air Force one and also moved into a bunker as OP stated. You're entire dispute is based on if he was hustled onto the plane and into a bunker, and to refute that, you remind us he read a book for 15 minutes. Here's a sanity check for your genius self. Is it possible, that BECAUSE he sat there longer not moving, that when he finally got out of the classroom, there actually was a hustle to get him onto the plane at a faster pace than usual? Obviously there would be. You make me lose faith in this forum.
- 10g1k 3y ago
  He was with the kids when it happened. THEN they hustled him into the plane, and took him to a bunker.
  - lapcat 3y ago
    > He was with the kids when it happened. THEN they hustled him into the plane "After being discreetly informed of the September 11 attacks midway through the reading, Bush waited quietly for the reading to finish before dealing with the unfolding crisis." "Afterwards, the children continued to read and President Bush sat while" "the notoriously punctual president lingered in the classroom after the reading exercise was finished" "After chatting with the students and their teacher, Bush deflected a Trade Center–related question from a reporter" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pet_Goat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pet_Goat Does any of that sound like hustle to you? Watch the actual video recording of the classroom in Michael Moore's documentary. There is was no hustle whatsoever. It's quite excruciating to see.
    - cafard 3y ago
      With all due disrespect to GWB, what was he going to do with those few minutes?
      - speff 3y ago
        I was watching the real-time 9/11 site earlier today. GWB made a television statement 30 minutes after the first tower was hit. That’s the kind of response time I would expect from a president in today’s hyperconnected society - it was really impressive. When I hear about people criticizing his decision to stay in the classroom for a few more minutes, all I can think is… “who cares?”
        lapcat 3y ago
        > GWB made a television statement 30 minutes after the first tower was hit. This is also wrong. He made a statement, from the elementary school, 45 minutes after the first tower was hit, and this again contradicts the false claim that "the president and his advisers were hustled onto Air Force One". There are 2 ridiculous things happening here: 1) Someone who literally teaches the history of 9/11 and is complaining that students don't remember gets the facts wrong. 2) Multiple commenters here on HN are for some reason defending the false claim. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_September_11_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_Se... 8:46:40: Flight 11 crashes into the north face of the North Tower (1 WTC) of the World Trade Center 8:55: President George W. Bush arrives at Emma E. Booker Elementary School in Sarasota, Florida, as part of a scheduled visit to promote education and is reading The Pet Goat when White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card, who is with Bush, informs him that a small twin-engine plane has crashed into the World Trade Center. Before entering the classroom, the President speaks to National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, who is at the White House. 9:29: President Bush makes his first public statements about the attacks, in front of an audience of about 200 teachers and students at the elementary school.
- aaron695 3y ago
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qazwsxplmokn 3y ago
https://archive.ph/r156l https://archive.ph/r156l
frank_bb 3y ago
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10g1k 3y ago
I was on IRC at the time, on Undernet. It was in the wee hours of the morning here. Some dude came into the channel and said a plane had crashed into the World Trade Centre. I said something like "Dude, it's too low for a plane to hit it, with all those tall buildings around it", because I thought he was talking about the World Trade Centre in Melbourne AU. He clarified that he meant the one in NYC. So along with everyone else, I jumped into a hastily created temp channel dedicated to news of the event, which was filling with people faster than I'd ever seen before. Updates were scrolling up the screen super fast. I was living with my parents and siblings at the time, and I ran around and told everyone to get up, and turned on the old CRT television which weighed about 600 tons. So we all sat there watching, and then the second plane hit the other tower. It felt like it was some Hollywood BS, not a real thing. We watched people jump out and fall. It was quite difficult to believe it was even happening. Not super relevant, but at the time, they said they had scrambled F16s and one had shot down the plane over the field in Pennsylvania to prevent another attack. Either their initial reports were wrong, or they changed the story later to create some heroes.
- sublinear 3y ago
  > Not super relevant, but at the time, they said they had scrambled F16s and one had shot down the plane over the field in Pennsylvania to prevent another attack. Either their initial reports were wrong, or they changed the story later to create some heroes. https://youtu.be/69uSD1S14RI https://youtu.be/69uSD1S14RI This YouTube channel is great by the way. The first wave was a couple of F-15s three F-16s. That flight 93 was shot down by a South Dakota Air National Guard F-16 pilot is false. It's a coincidence that the pilot was heading west of the first attacks to pick up an FAA official to assist with the investigation in New York. All the fighters at the time were either still on the ground or in a holding pattern off the east coast. The FAA was slow enough to relay details that every launch was already too late to respond to their target.
  - scoutt 3y ago
    I watched the whole thing live. I clearly remember a passenger plane being followed by a couple of fighters. It was filmed by a civilian on the ground. After some time, there was the news about a passenger plane that crashed somewhere. I couldn't find that footage anymore.
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Am4TIfIsER0ppos 3y ago
How old are your students? Late bloomers at college? Otherwise it is hardly a surprise that school students who were not born yet do not remember it. Does the author remember the Munich Olympics? The moon landing? The invasion of Poland? Archduke Ferdinand being assassinated? [EDIT] Oh I see she teaches at a college about it. No wonder she's so appalled at the thought it is rapidly becoming history.
Anders_A 3y ago
In this article: Someone is surprised that time happens.
cuttysnark 3y ago
Some of the classrooms in my high school had TV/VCR mounted in the corner from the ceiling. Used for the odd VHS, usually by a sub. As such, no one dreamed they had cable—we learned on 9/11 they did. I guess the teachers were willing to let that secret out—so we could all watch the news.
hulitu 3y ago
> None of My Students Remember 9/11 (2021) And that's a good thing. Just look at the comments, propaganda works as intended. /s

21 points by fortran77 3y ago

fortran77 3y ago

She may have a better time finding students who are more emotionally connected at a school other than Stanford.

toast0 3y ago
There's also the fact that this was written 20 years after the event, and most college students are around the ages of 18-25. You can't remember an event you were born after, and most people don't remember much that happened before they were about 5. If you were 5 or less when it happened, you may not have even known that it happened for some time, depending on where you lived, how your parents handled it, and if you were in a daycare/school setting, what you got from others there.

lapcat 3y ago

(2021)

lapcat 3y ago

> On 9/11, the president and his advisers were hustled onto Air Force One and into underground emergency bunkers Um, no, that's not what happened. Apparently the teacher doesn't remember either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pet_Goat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pet_Goat

ed_westin 3y ago
>According to Bill Sammon's book Fighting Back, Bush's gaze flitted about the room—the children, the press, the floor, his staff—while his mind raced about everything he did not yet know.
- netsharc 3y ago
  It seems quite un-presidential to think "Let me just sit here for another 10 minutes with these kids so they don't panic."... He (with 22 years of hindsight) could've just said "I'm sorry kids, something's come up that need my attention, so I'm going to have to go now.". Of course he didn't have any power to actually alter anything at that very moment (the attacks were basically done), but it was during such a fog of war that he/his team wouldn't have known yet that they were powerless...
lern_too_spel 3y ago
The President was put onto Air Force One: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/were-the-only-plane-in-the-sky-214230/ https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/were-the-onl... From there, he was taken to STRATCOM, which was in an underground bunker: https://www.ketv.com/article/tracing-president-bushs-path-at-offutt-afb/37565016 https://www.ketv.com/article/tracing-president-bushs-path-at...
talldatethrow 3y ago
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- lapcat 3y ago
  > What is your thought process for thinking the president was not hustled onto air force one? He just stayed wherever he was at.... For how long? There is an actual video recording of George W. Bush sitting in the classroom with the kids when the 9/11 attacks occurred. Watch it for yourself, in Michael Moore's documentary Fahrenheit 9/11: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_9/11 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_9/11 After that, you can come back here and apologize for disparaging me. Or you can apologize now...
  - talldatethrow 3y ago
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    - lapcat 3y ago
      > Dude, we all know where he was.... We all saw him reading the book. The submitted article is specifically about how many people, especially younger people, don't remember 9/11. Thus, "we all know" is a mistaken assumption. > Reread my post and actually try to answer the questions. The video recording of the President answers the questions. You asked what my "thought process" was, but I wasn't speculating; as you seem to acknowledge, there's a video, of which nobody has ever disputed the authenticity (because of course there were plenty of eyewitnesses on the scene too), that we can watch and thereby verify the timeline. There's no factual dispute whatsoever that Bush was told America is under attack, and he just sat there doing nothing for excruciating minutes, then lingered in the classroom, making no attempt to "hustle" out of there and take command of the situation.
      - talldatethrow 3y ago
        Lol ok so now you finally admit that he was moved into Air Force one and also moved into a bunker as OP stated. You're entire dispute is based on if he was hustled onto the plane and into a bunker, and to refute that, you remind us he read a book for 15 minutes. Here's a sanity check for your genius self. Is it possible, that BECAUSE he sat there longer not moving, that when he finally got out of the classroom, there actually was a hustle to get him onto the plane at a faster pace than usual? Obviously there would be. You make me lose faith in this forum.
10g1k 3y ago
He was with the kids when it happened. THEN they hustled him into the plane, and took him to a bunker.
- lapcat 3y ago
  > He was with the kids when it happened. THEN they hustled him into the plane "After being discreetly informed of the September 11 attacks midway through the reading, Bush waited quietly for the reading to finish before dealing with the unfolding crisis." "Afterwards, the children continued to read and President Bush sat while" "the notoriously punctual president lingered in the classroom after the reading exercise was finished" "After chatting with the students and their teacher, Bush deflected a Trade Center–related question from a reporter" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pet_Goat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pet_Goat Does any of that sound like hustle to you? Watch the actual video recording of the classroom in Michael Moore's documentary. There is was no hustle whatsoever. It's quite excruciating to see.
  - cafard 3y ago
    With all due disrespect to GWB, what was he going to do with those few minutes?
    - speff 3y ago
      I was watching the real-time 9/11 site earlier today. GWB made a television statement 30 minutes after the first tower was hit. That’s the kind of response time I would expect from a president in today’s hyperconnected society - it was really impressive. When I hear about people criticizing his decision to stay in the classroom for a few more minutes, all I can think is… “who cares?”
      - lapcat 3y ago
        > GWB made a television statement 30 minutes after the first tower was hit. This is also wrong. He made a statement, from the elementary school, 45 minutes after the first tower was hit, and this again contradicts the false claim that "the president and his advisers were hustled onto Air Force One". There are 2 ridiculous things happening here: 1) Someone who literally teaches the history of 9/11 and is complaining that students don't remember gets the facts wrong. 2) Multiple commenters here on HN are for some reason defending the false claim. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_September_11_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_Se... 8:46:40: Flight 11 crashes into the north face of the North Tower (1 WTC) of the World Trade Center 8:55: President George W. Bush arrives at Emma E. Booker Elementary School in Sarasota, Florida, as part of a scheduled visit to promote education and is reading The Pet Goat when White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card, who is with Bush, informs him that a small twin-engine plane has crashed into the World Trade Center. Before entering the classroom, the President speaks to National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, who is at the White House. 9:29: President Bush makes his first public statements about the attacks, in front of an audience of about 200 teachers and students at the elementary school.
aaron695 3y ago
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qazwsxplmokn 3y ago

https://archive.ph/r156l https://archive.ph/r156l

frank_bb 3y ago

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10g1k 3y ago

I was on IRC at the time, on Undernet. It was in the wee hours of the morning here. Some dude came into the channel and said a plane had crashed into the World Trade Centre. I said something like "Dude, it's too low for a plane to hit it, with all those tall buildings around it", because I thought he was talking about the World Trade Centre in Melbourne AU. He clarified that he meant the one in NYC. So along with everyone else, I jumped into a hastily created temp channel dedicated to news of the event, which was filling with people faster than I'd ever seen before. Updates were scrolling up the screen super fast. I was living with my parents and siblings at the time, and I ran around and told everyone to get up, and turned on the old CRT television which weighed about 600 tons. So we all sat there watching, and then the second plane hit the other tower. It felt like it was some Hollywood BS, not a real thing. We watched people jump out and fall. It was quite difficult to believe it was even happening. Not super relevant, but at the time, they said they had scrambled F16s and one had shot down the plane over the field in Pennsylvania to prevent another attack. Either their initial reports were wrong, or they changed the story later to create some heroes.

sublinear 3y ago
> Not super relevant, but at the time, they said they had scrambled F16s and one had shot down the plane over the field in Pennsylvania to prevent another attack. Either their initial reports were wrong, or they changed the story later to create some heroes. https://youtu.be/69uSD1S14RI https://youtu.be/69uSD1S14RI This YouTube channel is great by the way. The first wave was a couple of F-15s three F-16s. That flight 93 was shot down by a South Dakota Air National Guard F-16 pilot is false. It's a coincidence that the pilot was heading west of the first attacks to pick up an FAA official to assist with the investigation in New York. All the fighters at the time were either still on the ground or in a holding pattern off the east coast. The FAA was slow enough to relay details that every launch was already too late to respond to their target.
- scoutt 3y ago
  I watched the whole thing live. I clearly remember a passenger plane being followed by a couple of fighters. It was filmed by a civilian on the ground. After some time, there was the news about a passenger plane that crashed somewhere. I couldn't find that footage anymore.

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Am4TIfIsER0ppos 3y ago

How old are your students? Late bloomers at college? Otherwise it is hardly a surprise that school students who were not born yet do not remember it. Does the author remember the Munich Olympics? The moon landing? The invasion of Poland? Archduke Ferdinand being assassinated? [EDIT] Oh I see she teaches at a college about it. No wonder she's so appalled at the thought it is rapidly becoming history.

Anders_A 3y ago

In this article: Someone is surprised that time happens.

cuttysnark 3y ago

Some of the classrooms in my high school had TV/VCR mounted in the corner from the ceiling. Used for the odd VHS, usually by a sub. As such, no one dreamed they had cable—we learned on 9/11 they did. I guess the teachers were willing to let that secret out—so we could all watch the news.

hulitu 3y ago

> None of My Students Remember 9/11 (2021) And that's a good thing. Just look at the comments, propaganda works as intended. /s