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Eh, everything that goes in the ocean requires a lot of engineering to survive. Batteries can be sealed if needed, electric motors can be sealed too. For exampl

Eh, everything that goes in the ocean requires a lot of engineering to survive. Batteries can be sealed if needed, electric motors can be sealed too. For example thrusters for ROVs are typically electric motors. They just enclose the motor in a housing and run the shaft out to the prop through a rubber seal. A lot of older stuff looks like it wasn't highly engineered because the important engineering was done a long time ago, and now the stuff is old and crusty. But there was a lot of work done to make gasoline engines work well in the water I suspect. We can do the same for electric.

mschuster91 3y ago
> Batteries can be sealed if needed, electric motors can be sealed too. A gasoline/diesel engine will just seize up when exposed to water, and if it's on fire it will be extinguished. Same for electric motors. Batteries however? No bueno. Both the Americans [1] and Russians [2] lost submarines to battery fires. Batteries are hard and marine environments are among the nastiest you can get with corrosive saltwater and mist everywhere and continuous extreme mechanical shock events from waves and storms. This is also why I believe that it's a fools errand to waste any non-fossil fuel (no matter if "sustainable" production from grains, frying oil or similar, or synth-fuels) on heating homes like it has been proposed in Germany or driving cars with it. The stuff is far too valuable, we'll need it for a long time to power aviation and maritime navigation until we get batteries both high-capacity and safe enough for these cases. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Bonefish_(SS-582) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Bonefish_(SS-582) [2]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/23/russia-submersible-fire-faulty-battery-may-be-cause-reports https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/23/russia-submers...
- AYBABTME 3y ago
  You overestimate the danger of batteries on boats. LFP batteries are commonplace on boats. Also, diesel electric propulsion is commonplace in large ships. Nowadays, even small yachts are becoming hybrid or pure electric. My friend's 37ft sailing monohull is pure electric, so is my 35ft sailing catamaran.
  - myko 3y ago
    Wow, as someone who isn't around water very much I'm shocked to hear that those types of vessels are fully electric today. What's charging like?
    - ianburrell 3y ago
      I think pure electric is most common for sailboats. Where can get most of your propulsion from the wind and power from solar. My understanding is that range on electric is small. Fine for harbors but not enough if wind is wrong. It is usually possible to drift but that wastes time and can be problem in some situations. Most electric drive sailboats have a diesel generator as backup.
    - pcvonz 3y ago
      Power is common on a lot of docks. Just plug it in and charge it up. Range is not really a problem if you plan carefully and are patient. I try not to motor much anyway -- it being a sailboat and all. I do have a back up generator though.
    - sbm_au 3y ago
      At any commercial yacht marina, the wharf will almost look like a Tesla parking lot, with rows of chargers. There's a plug for every berth. If you do an image search for "marina" you can even spot them on most stock photos.
    - AYBABTME 3y ago
      My cat has a lot of real estate so I put a lot of solar. I rarely motor and mostly sail, but when I have extra power because the battery is full and the sun is shining, I can get a small speed boost for free. I have plenty of excess energy and have plugged into shore power maybe twice in the last year. Many folks have a generator in case they need more range and there isn't enough wind. But I personally haven't needed it yet, but I also don't sail long distances. I would probably bring a generator if I did, in case there's no wind and I need to move. My friend has a generator aboard but hasn't used it once yet, and he made it to Puerto Vallarta from SF.
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JoeAltmaier 3y ago
https://www.npr.org/2023/03/28/1166625069/batteries-are-catching-fire-at-sea https://www.npr.org/2023/03/28/1166625069/batteries-are-catc...

mschuster91 3y ago

> Batteries can be sealed if needed, electric motors can be sealed too. A gasoline/diesel engine will just seize up when exposed to water, and if it's on fire it will be extinguished. Same for electric motors. Batteries however? No bueno. Both the Americans [1] and Russians [2] lost submarines to battery fires. Batteries are hard and marine environments are among the nastiest you can get with corrosive saltwater and mist everywhere and continuous extreme mechanical shock events from waves and storms. This is also why I believe that it's a fools errand to waste any non-fossil fuel (no matter if "sustainable" production from grains, frying oil or similar, or synth-fuels) on heating homes like it has been proposed in Germany or driving cars with it. The stuff is far too valuable, we'll need it for a long time to power aviation and maritime navigation until we get batteries both high-capacity and safe enough for these cases. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Bonefish_(SS-582) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Bonefish_(SS-582) [2]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/23/russia-submersible-fire-faulty-battery-may-be-cause-reports https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/23/russia-submers...

AYBABTME 3y ago
You overestimate the danger of batteries on boats. LFP batteries are commonplace on boats. Also, diesel electric propulsion is commonplace in large ships. Nowadays, even small yachts are becoming hybrid or pure electric. My friend's 37ft sailing monohull is pure electric, so is my 35ft sailing catamaran.
- myko 3y ago
  Wow, as someone who isn't around water very much I'm shocked to hear that those types of vessels are fully electric today. What's charging like?
  - ianburrell 3y ago
    I think pure electric is most common for sailboats. Where can get most of your propulsion from the wind and power from solar. My understanding is that range on electric is small. Fine for harbors but not enough if wind is wrong. It is usually possible to drift but that wastes time and can be problem in some situations. Most electric drive sailboats have a diesel generator as backup.
  - pcvonz 3y ago
    Power is common on a lot of docks. Just plug it in and charge it up. Range is not really a problem if you plan carefully and are patient. I try not to motor much anyway -- it being a sailboat and all. I do have a back up generator though.
  - sbm_au 3y ago
    At any commercial yacht marina, the wharf will almost look like a Tesla parking lot, with rows of chargers. There's a plug for every berth. If you do an image search for "marina" you can even spot them on most stock photos.
  - AYBABTME 3y ago
    My cat has a lot of real estate so I put a lot of solar. I rarely motor and mostly sail, but when I have extra power because the battery is full and the sun is shining, I can get a small speed boost for free. I have plenty of excess energy and have plugged into shore power maybe twice in the last year. Many folks have a generator in case they need more range and there isn't enough wind. But I personally haven't needed it yet, but I also don't sail long distances. I would probably bring a generator if I did, in case there's no wind and I need to move. My friend has a generator aboard but hasn't used it once yet, and he made it to Puerto Vallarta from SF.
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JoeAltmaier 3y ago

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/28/1166625069/batteries-are-catching-fire-at-sea https://www.npr.org/2023/03/28/1166625069/batteries-are-catc...