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>This kind of discussion is really only interesting from a historical perspective. It doesn’t really have any bearing on modern politics or society. This is co

>This kind of discussion is really only interesting from a historical perspective. It doesn’t really have any bearing on modern politics or society. This is completely untrue. Some of his family members suspect he was murdered by the US intelligence agencies for planning to curb their power. Given the intelligence agencies have even more power now than back then, and are still not held accountable for their actions, if they were indeed responsible for killing JFK that heightens the need for the public to come out in mass in support of candidates committed to breaking up or disbanding those agencies.

avgcorrection 3y ago
> This is completely untrue. Some of his family members suspect he was murdered by the US intelligence agencies for planning to curb their power. [...] the need for the public to come out in mass in support of candidates committed to breaking up or disbanding those agencies. The people have some kind of obligation to that but what looks like dynastic power is fine?
wheelerof4te 3y ago
Completely agree. I'd even go further and say that those still living should be tried for high treason.
- s1gnp0st 3y ago
  Yep. An extra-legal paramilitary is antithetical to a free society. There's no right/left to this. Scatter it to the wind.
kevinmchugh 3y ago
The family member is RFK Jr., right? RFK Jr. simultaneously believes that his father and uncle were killed by the intelligence state, and that they ought to be providing him protection, and that they want to kill him. I find his opinions pretty confusing on this matter
- theultdev 3y ago
  The secret service is under the DHS, not the CIA or FBI, which have been the organizations criticized by RFK, and JFK for that matter. The DHS didn't even exist back then, the SS was absorbed into it some time after it was created in 2002. Regardless, one can want the usual protections given and needed and also hold the belief that some agencies are too powerful and corrupt and need to be broken up. (like breaking up the DHS and making the SS it's own entity)
  - kevinmchugh 3y ago
    > the usual protections given He's currently receiving the standard amount of protection from the secret service for a primary candidate at this stage (none).
- jprd 3y ago
  I can completely understand a young man being irrevocably changed by such tragedies, even if he hadn't already been on the world stage just because he was born. That being said, dude is either non-serious or damaged to the point I wouldn't let him run Bluth's Original Frozen Banana stand, and he wants to be President? The U.S. tried that already recently (more than once if we're being honest), electing a non-serious and damaged human raised in a family where ambition was treasured over f*cking hugs. I'm not sure if anyone else is paying attention, but that went very very very wrong. Why don't we stop putting people like this into power just to assuage our own insecurities? Wouldn't it be a better investment to try and find a way to change the culture to encourage mental health from the beginning of life rather than devolve our society due to late-life insecurity and low-information voters?

avgcorrection 3y ago

> This is completely untrue. Some of his family members suspect he was murdered by the US intelligence agencies for planning to curb their power. [...] the need for the public to come out in mass in support of candidates committed to breaking up or disbanding those agencies. The people have some kind of obligation to that but what looks like dynastic power is fine?

wheelerof4te 3y ago

Completely agree. I'd even go further and say that those still living should be tried for high treason.

s1gnp0st 3y ago
Yep. An extra-legal paramilitary is antithetical to a free society. There's no right/left to this. Scatter it to the wind.

kevinmchugh 3y ago

The family member is RFK Jr., right? RFK Jr. simultaneously believes that his father and uncle were killed by the intelligence state, and that they ought to be providing him protection, and that they want to kill him. I find his opinions pretty confusing on this matter

theultdev 3y ago
The secret service is under the DHS, not the CIA or FBI, which have been the organizations criticized by RFK, and JFK for that matter. The DHS didn't even exist back then, the SS was absorbed into it some time after it was created in 2002. Regardless, one can want the usual protections given and needed and also hold the belief that some agencies are too powerful and corrupt and need to be broken up. (like breaking up the DHS and making the SS it's own entity)
- kevinmchugh 3y ago
  > the usual protections given He's currently receiving the standard amount of protection from the secret service for a primary candidate at this stage (none).
jprd 3y ago
I can completely understand a young man being irrevocably changed by such tragedies, even if he hadn't already been on the world stage just because he was born. That being said, dude is either non-serious or damaged to the point I wouldn't let him run Bluth's Original Frozen Banana stand, and he wants to be President? The U.S. tried that already recently (more than once if we're being honest), electing a non-serious and damaged human raised in a family where ambition was treasured over f*cking hugs. I'm not sure if anyone else is paying attention, but that went very very very wrong. Why don't we stop putting people like this into power just to assuage our own insecurities? Wouldn't it be a better investment to try and find a way to change the culture to encourage mental health from the beginning of life rather than devolve our society due to late-life insecurity and low-information voters?