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There are way more cold weather deaths than hot, and they would be expected to decrease significantly. I'll add that I belive we should prioritize reducing atm

There are way more cold weather deaths than hot, and they would be expected to decrease significantly. I'll add that I belive we should prioritize reducing atmospheric CO2, but straight up lying about it's impact, and using it for politics, which go togetjer and represent most of the discourse, are both despicable and counterproductive.

ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
I agree as oil companies have influenced politics and climate science for decades. There is plenty of evidence that they deliberately lied as they valued their profits over humanity's welfare.
- landemva 3y ago
  Some of the worst environmental damage has been done by socialist governments when they control everything. Private ownership is better than alternative of socialism. Even though residents of East Germany had considerably less standard of living than the west, the east created enormous amounts of pollution. Worse with less human welfare. https://fee.org/articles/why-pollution-was-so-much-worse-in-east-germany-than-west-germany https://fee.org/articles/why-pollution-was-so-much-worse-in-...
  - ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
    I think you're conflating authoritarian communist governments with socialism. Moreover, isn't that just trying to deflect from addressing climate issues?
    - landemva 3y ago
      The "blame the for-profit oil companies" ignores the history of government dictated economies. We don't have to like private ownership [of energy production], but removing companies just changes ownership to less accountable government.
      - ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
        We shouldn't ignore past mistakes, whether by companies or governments, but our current problem is being perpetuated by the oil companies, so something has to change to stop them from destroying our future.
        landemva 3y ago
        > our current problem is being perpetuated by the oil companies People consume goods and services which rely on oil. Act locally and stop consuming things which depend on oil and natural gas. Oil is used for more than electricity generation, so it will be a cave-person lifestyle.
        ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
        That is an excellent reason why we need to stop burning it. Lots of things can be used for energy, but oil is also useful in manufacturing. Acting locally is exactly the narrative that the oil companies want you to push as it distracts people from the oil companies greed and destruction of our climate.
  - c1sc0 3y ago
    Please explain how market economies deal in scenarios where externalities are involved. How do they price in those externalities? Also, how well do market economies perform for the common good when limited natural resources are exploited?
    - landemva 3y ago
      > when limited natural resources are exploited Malthus was not correct. I'm trying to think of one commodity which has been used up, and I can't think of one though you can name a few. Private property, free markets, and rule of law are not perfect. What system is better for a good standard of living for the masses?

ndsipa_pomu 3y ago

I agree as oil companies have influenced politics and climate science for decades. There is plenty of evidence that they deliberately lied as they valued their profits over humanity's welfare.

landemva 3y ago
Some of the worst environmental damage has been done by socialist governments when they control everything. Private ownership is better than alternative of socialism. Even though residents of East Germany had considerably less standard of living than the west, the east created enormous amounts of pollution. Worse with less human welfare. https://fee.org/articles/why-pollution-was-so-much-worse-in-east-germany-than-west-germany https://fee.org/articles/why-pollution-was-so-much-worse-in-...
- ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
  I think you're conflating authoritarian communist governments with socialism. Moreover, isn't that just trying to deflect from addressing climate issues?
  - landemva 3y ago
    The "blame the for-profit oil companies" ignores the history of government dictated economies. We don't have to like private ownership [of energy production], but removing companies just changes ownership to less accountable government.
    - ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
      We shouldn't ignore past mistakes, whether by companies or governments, but our current problem is being perpetuated by the oil companies, so something has to change to stop them from destroying our future.
      - landemva 3y ago
        > our current problem is being perpetuated by the oil companies People consume goods and services which rely on oil. Act locally and stop consuming things which depend on oil and natural gas. Oil is used for more than electricity generation, so it will be a cave-person lifestyle.
        ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
        That is an excellent reason why we need to stop burning it. Lots of things can be used for energy, but oil is also useful in manufacturing. Acting locally is exactly the narrative that the oil companies want you to push as it distracts people from the oil companies greed and destruction of our climate.
- c1sc0 3y ago
  Please explain how market economies deal in scenarios where externalities are involved. How do they price in those externalities? Also, how well do market economies perform for the common good when limited natural resources are exploited?
  - landemva 3y ago
    > when limited natural resources are exploited Malthus was not correct. I'm trying to think of one commodity which has been used up, and I can't think of one though you can name a few. Private property, free markets, and rule of law are not perfect. What system is better for a good standard of living for the masses?