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They can only be updated to reference things that exist. But there's no point creating a new thing now, because it'd be automatically illegal. Escape hatch: th
by nvm0n2 3y ago
They can only be updated to reference things that exist. But there's no point creating a new thing now, because it'd be automatically illegal.
Escape hatch: the rest of the world isn't as stupid as the EU bureaucracy is, so there will still be innovation in power chargers (hopefully). But the principle is busted. Fixing tech in place via law is anti-progress.
- PrimeMcFly 3y ago> But there's no point creating a new thing now, because it'd be automatically illegal. Come on. That's just silly. Nothing stopping manufacturers working together on a new standard and hiring lobbyists to amend whatever bill is needed. The EU bill doesn't stifle innovation at all. It stifles vendor lock-in and a bunch of other negative bullshit.
- jmye 3y agoWhy would I bother building something new that there’s no guarantee I can ever use, that provides no competitive advantage whatsoever, when I can just use the existing standard, no matter how outdated or inferior it might be? Legislating a specific tech standard is short-sighted and stupid, and you badly overestimate how quickly legislation can be updated, especially if there’s resistance.
- PrimeMcFly 3y agoIf it provides no competitive advantage why would you build it indeed? If there is something better, they will build it to sell newer phones. > you badly overestimate how quickly legislation can be updated, especially if there’s resistance. I think you underestimate how quickly legislation can be updated when there is a desire to do so.
- jmye 3y ago> If there is something better, they will build it to sell newer phones. Why would they incur the expense of building it, lobbying for it, working through a new standard with the entire industry, only to not even be able to market it as a feature enhancement over competitors? There’s literally no profit-benefit to doing any of it. > I think you underestimate how quickly legislation can be updated when there is a desire to do so. Ok. We should definitely assume 100% alignment, because that’s definitely the direction governments are currently trending. Good call. There would definitely be zero entrenched interests defending the status quo, so that’s a super smart, reasonable assumption for you to base your argument on.
- PrimeMcFly 3y ago> Why would they incur the expense of building it, lobbying for it, working through a new standard with the entire industry, only to not even be able to market it as a feature enhancement over competitors? There’s literally no profit-benefit to doing any of it. Why was USB 3 invented? Or USB4? > Ok. We should definitely assume 100% alignment, because that’s definitely the direction governments are currently trending. Good call. There would definitely be zero entrenched interests defending the status quo, so that’s a super smart, reasonable assumption for you to base your argument on. lol. If newer standard are developed, and they certainly will be, it will be in the manufacturers interests to get them approved so they can sell newer devices, to get people to replace their older devices.
- nvm0n2 3y ago> Why was USB 3 invented? Or USB4? To compete with Thunderbolt and Lightning?
- PrimeMcFly 3y agoUSB3 already does. But, fine, why will USB5 be worked on? And we are talking about phones, in the EU all phones will be USB3, so Thunderbolt and Lightning won't be competition in this context.
- nvm0n2 3y agoSo it can be sold outside the EU?
- PrimeMcFly 3y agoThat's not the only reason, not even a reason actually, but let's say it is. Once made, you don't think they would lobby to have it recognized in the EU legislation?
- nvm0n2 3y agoBut there will be no desire to do so. Nobody in the EU power hierarchy actually cares about technology or phones, they're mostly quasi-geriatric retirees from national politics. They enjoy whacking tech companies because they're soft targets and it lets them strut around claiming to care about the environment, not because they care about the right way to charge phones. Come up with a better way to charge devices via cables and you'll discover that they mysteriously are always busy adding new regulations elsewhere.
- PrimeMcFly 3y ago> But there will be no desire to do so. So why will USB5 be worked on?