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Not directly related to this article, but I found the lone gunman theory much easier to accept after visiting the museum in the former book depository in Dallas

• jjoonathan 3y ago
  Similar: recent PR photos made it "click" for me that modern stealthy aircraft look exactly like "flying saucer" UFOs from the front. https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/02/politics/b-21-stealth-bomber-air-force/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/02/politics/b-21-stealth-bomber-...
  • whimsicalism 3y ago
    Everyone knows that modern stealth aircraft looks like that, but that is not what has been causing the recent furor.
    • tomrod 3y ago
      Furor which may well have been caused by unacknowledged aircraft like the above. But who knows, maybe an intelligence or sapience from another world just wants to confuse people, or something similar in the long probability tail of life experience in this universe.
      • sekh60 3y ago
        Aliens are doing for the lulz.
        • tomrod 3y ago
          Right?
  • dizhn 3y ago
    That's exactly why they make them look like flying saucers. Plausible deniability.
  • The_Colonel 3y ago
    You can get this view only when the aircraft is flying directly towards you, any change in direction will reveal its true shape. For me this isn't very convincing.
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  • sunnybeetroot 3y ago
    Have you seen the same plane from other angles? It does not resemble a flying saucer. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_B-21_Raider#/media/File%3AB-21_Raider_front_high.jpg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_B-21_Raider...
• pseingatl 3y ago
  I had the opposite feeling. Looking from the window, to your left, a winding road. To your right, the freeway entrance. With a bolt action rifle, Oswald had to shoot, eject the casing, reload, acquire the target of an accelerating vehicle, shoot, eject the casing, reload, acquire the target of an accelerating vehicle and fire again. One of the Marine Corps' top snipers said, "I can't do it." If he can't, how could Oswald?
  • dharmab 3y ago
    The Carcano M91/38 is a magazine fed rifle, it isn't manually reloaded. You can work the bolt while remaining on target. That's not a particularly hard thing to do, either- I was able to learn that skill the first afternoon I shot a magzine fed bolt action. EDIT: Here's a video of someone replicating the shots with that rifle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghmY6HmR4fs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghmY6HmR4fs The comments also point out other factors that could have made the shot easier.
    • kbrisso 3y ago
      One of the cable networks had a guy make the shot from the exact same height and distance. After I watch that episode I'm convinced it happened that way. What really makes it a conspiracy is how RFK covered up the political on goings in the White House. JFK was doing thing politically not popular in America, in an effort to cover this up RFK rushed the funeral, medical exam and burial to put those things to rest.
    • xyzelement 3y ago
      Thank you for sharing this context and the video. It is also interesting anachronism to see Americans casually handling firearms with competence on a TV broadcast
  • neaden 3y ago
    Who was the marine Corp top sniper who said they couldn't do it?
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• ALittleLight 3y ago
  I think the suspicious stuff about the JFK assassination is not the shot itself, but the fact that Oswald had a friend and mentor who was a CIA handler and Oswald himself was inexplicably murdered by Ruby before any real investigation could happen. Ruby's offered explanation - that he wanted to save Jackie a trial, doesn't seem plausible.
  • wheelerof4te 3y ago
    "I think the suspicious stuff about the JFK assassination is not the shot itself, but..." ...who ordered the murder. Shooter is the least important factor considering how many enemies JFK had in the establishment. It is too easy to blackmail someone in performing the murder. Especially if you have friends in the CIA.
    • drexlspivey 3y ago
      The hit was ordered by Sam Giancana, the Chicago mafia boss. Jack Ruby was his lackey. From wikipedia: Ruby was known to have been acquainted with both the police and the Mafia. The HSCA said that Ruby had known Chicago mobster Sam Giancana (1908–1975) and Joseph Campisi (1918–1990) since 1947, and had been seen with them on many occasions.
      • wheelerof4te 3y ago
        It's so good that you mentioned him, because this is from the first article of the top of Google's search: "In July 1974, however, he was seized by police in Mexico City and shipped back to Chicago. One year later he was bullet-riddled in his home in Oak Park, Ill., by unknown assailants. He had been scheduled to appear before the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee to discuss his alleged involvement in a Central Intelligence Agency plot to assassinate Fidel Castro in the early 1960s." Source: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Sam-Giancana https://www.britannica.com/biography/Sam-Giancana So, the guy was involved and worked with the CIA. Meaning, CIA could have been involved, too. And they conveniently offed him to prevent him to talk. Such class.
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• akira2501 3y ago
  The problem is, the Secret Service could see that too, and Dallas wasn't exactly a "friendly" city. The decision to take such a route in a vehicle without cover or without securing the building remains unexplained. So, yea, the depository is a perfect location to shoot onto that route. This in and of itself is a massive problem.
  • ianburrell 3y ago
    Oswald was temporary employee at the Book Depository. He carried a long package into the building in the morning. I don't think there was security since would have likely searched the package. But his employee status would have gotten him in and given him reason to be there in any search.
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  • kevinmchugh 3y ago
    The featured article is about a 23 year old secret service agent hired directly from college and quickly assigned to protect the first lady - what if the secret service before 1963 was just not that competent? How much does that explain for us?
  • jmyeet 3y ago
    You, like many people, fall into the trap of seeing the events of 1963 through a modern lens, a lens that itself was greatly influenced by these events. Presidential security in 1963 wasn't what it is today. For example, JFK would stop his car to go mingle with the crowd. There's a photo on this audio recording from Miami in 1963 [1]. There are parallels with 9/11. Prior to 9-11, people would generally go along peacefully with hijackers. Why? Because they knew the "routine". The hijackers would fly the plane somewhere, land it, make demands, make noise for their political cause and, more often than not, people would get to go home. Harrowing for sure. But the general public didn't conceive of planes being used as cruise missiles. We all know post-9/11 was so much security theater but it was also largely unnecessary because people were now aware they could be used as a missile so were less likely to simply go along with demands. JFK's assassination changed the threat modelling and protection by the Secret Service of the president. In spite of that, Ronald Reagan was shot by an assailant [2] without any great planning or mass conspiracy. Now it's all bulletproof motorcades with armor plating to survive running over a land mine. It's Secret Service vetting every audience member at a live event. It's mapping out and securing any potential sniper positions. None of that was true to the same degree in 1963. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep_NiYKrcC0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep_NiYKrcC0 [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assassination_of_Ronald_Reagan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assassination_of_Ron...
• whartung 3y ago
  Years ago, on Discovery or History channel, I watched a show where they replicated the “magic bullet” shot. The magic bullet was the one that hit the President and the Governor, that apparently went all zig zag, and left a pristine bullet. For the experiment they had all the measurements and distances, detailed ballistic dummies (with bones and whatnot), positioned properly (the Governor was on a smaller, lower jump seat, and sitting below the President), and they shot from a tower. They had the same rifle, though not the actual rifle, and they had period ammunition from the same lot that Oswald used. Who knows where they dug that up. I also can’t speak to the atmospheric conditions but those would affect accuracy, not impact. Only thing hey didn’t mimic was the actual motion. It was a stationary shot. Sorry to be graphic here, but as I recall this was the shot that hit The President in the throat, passed through him and continued on to hit the Governor, twice, I believe. Through his arm and into his leg. And you know what? They did it. They replicated the shot. Was it 100%? No. But I’d call it 90+%. The damage to the dummies was very similar, including deflection off the bones. They recovered the bullet and it was not perfect, but it was in very good shape. It was simple ball ammunition and did not expand like modern bullets can. It was, to me, a very convincing demonstration about how little magic was in the original bullet.
  • SCAQTony 3y ago
    Here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZRUNYZY71g&t=23s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZRUNYZY71g&t=23s
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  • fatbird 3y ago
    A few years after the Warren Commission, Dan Rather and CBS News recreated the shooting with marksmen on a tower, and did use a moving target. Several hit with two shots; one with all three. Here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghmY6HmR4fs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghmY6HmR4fs
  • kanzenryu2 3y ago
    Recently it was revealed that the car had been modified and the back seat was quite a bit higher than is normal for that model, and the original bullet trajectory analysis was therefore inaccurate.
• superposeur 3y ago
  I think what drives much conspiracy-theorizing are two facts: 1) people have terrible intuition about physics outside a very narrow range of everyday conditions, 2) people are viscerally unaware of fact 1). For instance, I recall sitting next to a table of 9/11-truthers meeting up at a coffee shop. Their discussions kept circling back to the sheer implausibility of a fire causing structural beams to buckle. People don't have intuition for jet-fuel-hot fires; nor skyscraper-high gravitational potential energy. Similarly, the dynamics of a high-speed bullet is so far outside people's intuitions that they derisively call its behavior "magic." I'd like to hope that at least problem 2) could be ameliorated if good laboratory-based educational experiences were widespread enough; the terribleness of everyday intuitions smacks you in the face quickly when you try to do even a basic experiment. On the other hand, maybe the old dictum holds true that education benefits those most who need it least.
  • philwelch 3y ago
    > For instance, I recall sitting next to a table of 9/11-truthers meeting up at a coffee shop. Their discussions kept circling back to the sheer implausibility of a fire causing structural beams to buckle. People don't have intuition for jet-fuel-hot fires; nor skyscraper-high gravitational potential energy. They might, if they think for a few minutes about how metalworking works. > I'd like to hope that at least problem 2) could be ameliorated if good laboratory-based educational experiences were widespread enough I think a lot of this comes from people being alienated from working with the physical world. Blacksmiths probably have extremely accurate everyday intuitions about how metal behaves under extreme heat.
• philwelch 3y ago
  I had the exact same reaction. There are X’s on the road where Kennedy was hit, and standing at the window next to Oswald’s position, two things were immediately obvious to me: that both X’s were in line with his position (so he wouldn’t have needed to shift his point of aim unlike a shooter from the grassy knoll) and that I could have probably made the same shots.
• kanzenryu2 3y ago
  Or you can play the game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5U5iu85oUM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5U5iu85oUM