Borders have more than nothing to do with colonialism. but that wasn't my argument. > A nation that does not control its border is no longer a nation. Argumen

Borders have more than nothing to do with colonialism. but that wasn't my argument. > A nation that does not control its border is no longer a nation. Argument is about VISAs. And so what? I would trade justice for the concept of nations if nations are prisons for many and wall gardens for a few. > No country on earth behaves that way. Not now, nor in the past. Whataboutism. Again the argument is about VISAs, not borders, but was the U.S not a country? > There is no human right to move and settle where you please Does it not make the UN declaration absurd? Article 23 is interesting. "to just and favourable conditions of work" So let's say, Michel. born in London. Michel could be a citizen of some EU country, the US, South Korea or any of another dozen specific countries, that's about the same. Equiped with his education or simply interest in trade and business, decides that what would please him most is to go to Singapore. Whether his desire is to settle or just to visit, he himself don't even know, so a short visit will do: He goes to Singapore, gets a 90 days visit stamp on arrival. Replace Michel by any of the billion(s) of citizens who don't have that privilege and the result is this: - visa application in advance - fees - no guarantee to get it issued Is this is compatible with "just and favourable conditions" and "right to employment" ? > but those rights only apply within a particular country, the declaration says. I hear you say. Yet Michel from London can travel to most countries present on all continents, if that pleases him. > that entitles you to many social services paid for by taxes. Blame the benefit systems then if they are the barrier to true freedom of movement. For precision, non tax payers also benefit from social services. In fact even more so than those who pay taxes. It isn't about tax and a sensical distribution of benefits, that would easily be solved. > Where did you get your education? No idea why that would matter but here is a serious breakdown. - early education from a private school - then from a couple of public schools - then from several semi private schools - then from a state university - then from another University, this time private. From two countries, both former colonial empires and members of the United Nations. Signatories of the declaration which was meant to enshrine "the rights and freedom of all human beings."