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> At the moment, the only supported platform is Linux. Regardless of your feelings on the status quo, there is one thing you must do when building a game engin

> At the moment, the only supported platform is Linux. Regardless of your feelings on the status quo, there is one thing you must do when building a game engine if you want it to succeed: support Windows.

StevenXC 3y ago
I'd love to see the Steam Deck "console" change this status quo.
- NavinF 3y ago
  win32 is the stable ABI for SteamOS, same as any other Linux distro
- tmccrary55 3y ago
  Most of the SteamDeck games are just running windows games through photon, wine and other compatibility layers. While that works amazingly well, I tend to prefer games with native Linux and SteamOS builds, even though they're rare.
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WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
bullshit, consoles/mobile are bigger markets than PC/Windows PC is just less than 1/3 of the whole picture https://www.data.ai/en/insights/mobile-gaming/2022-gaming-spotlight-report/ https://www.data.ai/en/insights/mobile-gaming/2022-gaming-sp...
- 5e92cb50239222b 3y ago
  A bit more than that since Xbox runs Windows too.
  - WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
    July console sales: PS5: 1.2m Switch: 950k Xbox: 370k Xbox accounts for just 17% of total console sales in July Both Switch and PS5 are FreeBSD based If we count the whole period of the current gen of each vendors, it only accounts for 13%, it's not big https://www.vgchartz.com/ https://www.vgchartz.com/
    - rstat1 3y ago
      Actually its only the PS5 that's FreeBSD based. Switch runs a completely proprietary Nintendo OS that borrows a lot from Android.
      - GranPC 3y ago
        It borrows very little from Android - I think it mostly draws some parts from stagefright.
        rstat1 3y ago
        Also borrows the whole of its compositor "nvnflinger" from Android's "SurfaceFlinger". I'd call that a pretty significant piece.
      - WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
        A mix of the two "partially Unix-like via certain components which are based on FreeBSD and Android" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Switch_system_software https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Switch_system_softwar...
        rstat1 3y ago
        from the same article "it is based on a proprietary microkernel" "....Despite popular misconceptions to the contrary, Horizon (the Switch's OS) is not largely derived from FreeBSD code, nor from Android..."
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- corethree 3y ago
  He's probably referring to the Desktop/laptop market. In which case windows controls like 90%.
  - WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
    Title is: "Peredvizhnikov Engine is a fully lock-free game engine written in C++20 " A Game Engine targets various platforms A "video-game" is not something exclusive to desktop/laptop windows market
    - corethree 3y ago
      Right but a toolchain that targets anything else other then a desktop is not straightforward to find or setup. Toy game engines like this are in the majority of cases used on desktop.
- kevingadd 3y ago
  Got bad news for you about what the console SDKs run on (Also, the consoles don't run Linux)
  - p1necone 3y ago
    From what I know: XBOX runs a variant of Windows. PS3/4/5 OSes have all been based on FreeBSD. Apparently Nintendo Switch runs a proprietary kernel, which is interesting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Switch_system_software https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Switch_system_softwar...).
- hot_gril 3y ago
  Rude way of putting it, but yeah, mobile dwarfs everything.
- p1necone 3y ago
  I feel like it's a mistake to consider mobile games as being part of the same market as PC/console games. Sure they're both "games" but I don't know that they're competing for the same set of users - either people play one or the other, or the people that do crossover in both markets are probably playing PC/console games at home and mobile games on the bus or train.
nnnahhhh 3y ago
Pretty sure they already succeeded. Wasting effort supporting an advertising platform like windows is irrelevant to whether or not they successfully made a lock-free game engine.

StevenXC 3y ago

I'd love to see the Steam Deck "console" change this status quo.

NavinF 3y ago
win32 is the stable ABI for SteamOS, same as any other Linux distro
tmccrary55 3y ago
Most of the SteamDeck games are just running windows games through photon, wine and other compatibility layers. While that works amazingly well, I tend to prefer games with native Linux and SteamOS builds, even though they're rare.

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WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago

bullshit, consoles/mobile are bigger markets than PC/Windows PC is just less than 1/3 of the whole picture https://www.data.ai/en/insights/mobile-gaming/2022-gaming-spotlight-report/ https://www.data.ai/en/insights/mobile-gaming/2022-gaming-sp...

5e92cb50239222b 3y ago
A bit more than that since Xbox runs Windows too.
- WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
  July console sales: PS5: 1.2m Switch: 950k Xbox: 370k Xbox accounts for just 17% of total console sales in July Both Switch and PS5 are FreeBSD based If we count the whole period of the current gen of each vendors, it only accounts for 13%, it's not big https://www.vgchartz.com/ https://www.vgchartz.com/
  - rstat1 3y ago
    Actually its only the PS5 that's FreeBSD based. Switch runs a completely proprietary Nintendo OS that borrows a lot from Android.
    - GranPC 3y ago
      It borrows very little from Android - I think it mostly draws some parts from stagefright.
      - rstat1 3y ago
        Also borrows the whole of its compositor "nvnflinger" from Android's "SurfaceFlinger". I'd call that a pretty significant piece.
    - WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
      A mix of the two "partially Unix-like via certain components which are based on FreeBSD and Android" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Switch_system_software https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Switch_system_softwar...
      - rstat1 3y ago
        from the same article "it is based on a proprietary microkernel" "....Despite popular misconceptions to the contrary, Horizon (the Switch's OS) is not largely derived from FreeBSD code, nor from Android..."
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corethree 3y ago
He's probably referring to the Desktop/laptop market. In which case windows controls like 90%.
- WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
  Title is: "Peredvizhnikov Engine is a fully lock-free game engine written in C++20 " A Game Engine targets various platforms A "video-game" is not something exclusive to desktop/laptop windows market
  - corethree 3y ago
    Right but a toolchain that targets anything else other then a desktop is not straightforward to find or setup. Toy game engines like this are in the majority of cases used on desktop.
kevingadd 3y ago
Got bad news for you about what the console SDKs run on (Also, the consoles don't run Linux)
- p1necone 3y ago
  From what I know: XBOX runs a variant of Windows. PS3/4/5 OSes have all been based on FreeBSD. Apparently Nintendo Switch runs a proprietary kernel, which is interesting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Switch_system_software https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Switch_system_softwar...).
hot_gril 3y ago
Rude way of putting it, but yeah, mobile dwarfs everything.
p1necone 3y ago
I feel like it's a mistake to consider mobile games as being part of the same market as PC/console games. Sure they're both "games" but I don't know that they're competing for the same set of users - either people play one or the other, or the people that do crossover in both markets are probably playing PC/console games at home and mobile games on the bus or train.

nnnahhhh 3y ago

Pretty sure they already succeeded. Wasting effort supporting an advertising platform like windows is irrelevant to whether or not they successfully made a lock-free game engine.