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Afaik here the suggestion is to get the ASUS TUF Gaming Advantage A16, but the ASUS ROG Zephyrus G14 also looks nice! (it is missing USB4, but has AMD Radeon RX

Afaik here the suggestion is to get the ASUS TUF Gaming Advantage A16, but the ASUS ROG Zephyrus G14 also looks nice! (it is missing USB4, but has AMD Radeon RX 6700S and PCIe 4.0)

lhl 3y ago
Hmm, are you sure that's what the suggestion is because the first line of the Verdict says: "If you want an amazing 1,000 nits (IPS) LCD — go for the HP EliteBook 865 G10, Ryzen"... My comment directly talks about why the Sure View display is objectively not amazing, and has a lot of downsides. Also, I have an older Ryzen laptop with a 250 nit display and to me, it's basically too dark unless you work exclusively in low lighting (even sunlight from office windows made it unpleasant to work with) so I think the TUF would also be hard to recommend unless you really were someone who never looks at their screen (but then, why get a laptop?). The G14's display I'd say is significantly better than either the TUF or the HP's. Personally, I think 350 nits would be my minimum. The G14 has a 500 nit display. It's also DCI-P3 and Pantone validated making it much more color accurate. It's a matte display, supports HDR (largely irrelevant to Linux I know), and supports 120Hz and VRR (it can actually be tweaked to 144Hz and 30-144Hz VRR, which is actually amazing to me [1]). Notebookcheck of course has a review on the display: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ROG-Zephyrus-G14-GA402R-Gaming-Laptop-Review-AMD-Times-Two.608125.0.html#toc-4 https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ROG-Zephyrus-G14-GA402R-G... (much faster pixel response, PWM at 27KHz only at <35% brightness). USB 4 is available on the 2022 G14 via a beta BIOS: https://rog.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1049059 https://rog.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1049059 [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/ZephyrusG14/comments/w9k8p3/my_g14_2022_1600p_144hz_vrr_settings/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ZephyrusG14/comments/w9k8p3/my_g14_...
- opengears 3y ago
  Full Ack with the screen. Wow, the Beta Bios USB4 support looks very interesting! Wondering if this is an Asus only thing, or if other Ryzen 6000 devices also support USB4? Did you experience any of the mentioned issues "Might not be able to enter Modern Standby when Thunderbolt device is connected"? Edit: here is a "possible explanation why most ryzen 6000 laptops do not support usb 4 despite the platform technically supporting it" https://www.reddit.com/r/AMDLaptops/comments/wchl0q/a_possible_explanation_why_most_ryzen_6000/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AMDLaptops/comments/wchl0q/a_possib...
  - lhl 3y ago
    Ryzen 6000 (Rembrandt) USB4 support was generally underwhelming. Some of it may have been FP7 limitations, but some of it may have been lack of AMD board support (eg, the ZenBooks were supposed to have USB4 support, don't have a dGPU so not a board layout issue, but was held up by BIOS issues as well). Supply chain may have played a part as well - a lot of ODM/OEMs skipped it due to parts shortages (retimers or power delivery components?). These issues are still a problem for Ryzen 7000 mobile (Phoenix). For some more color, see this Framework update for example: https://community.frame.work/t/responded-amd-batch-1-guild/28693/123 https://community.frame.work/t/responded-amd-batch-1-guild/2... I did a lot of research on the G14, but actually I ended up not getting one and going for a 12th-gen Intel Framework instead: https://github.com/lhl/linuxlaptops/wiki/2022-Framework-Laptop-DIY-Edition-12th-Gen-Intel-Batch-1 https://github.com/lhl/linuxlaptops/wiki/2022-Framework-Lapt... I had a Batch 1 AMD motherboard pre-order but ended up cancelling for reasons, although I did end up deciding to get a 7940HS mini PC, which I'm running as my main desktop computer now and that I've documented here: https://github.com/lhl/linuxlaptops/wiki/Minisforum-UM790-Pro https://github.com/lhl/linuxlaptops/wiki/Minisforum-UM790-Pr... I have it connected w/ a LINKUP Thunderbolt 3 dock now and it seems fine, but I don't have auto-suspend on and don't suspend the device. Overall, I really like the UM790 device, the main issue w/ it (that thankfully has workarounds) is that OOTB it suffers from crashes/reboots - I was able to fix it by either disabling PSS in the BIOS or disabling C6 in runtime via MSR (after which it's stable). This is likely an AMD AGESA issue (this seems to be a recurring forever bug w/ Zen processors) and an upcoming BIOS update is promised to fix it.
deaddodo 3y ago
> ASUS ROG Zephyrus G14 I have this laptop, it works wonderfully for Linux gaming.
Abby0 3y ago
Dell Insperion work really well for linux too, so is the high-performance Precision laptops, they often have a software package from Dell containing all needed kernel drivers to run the laptop, however I should point out managing CPU fan and thermals is a bit weird/bad sometimes (you can either hear your laptop run the fan on full speed without running any intensive process, and sometimes you can touch the pads around the trackpad only to find your laptop is really hot), this has been also my experience with Toshiba/HP laptops on linux as well.

Afaik here the suggestion is to get the ASUS TUF Gaming Advantage A16, but the ASUS ROG Zephyrus G14 also looks nice! (it is missing USB4, but has AMD Radeon RX 6700S and PCIe 4.0)

lhl 3y ago

Hmm, are you sure that's what the suggestion is because the first line of the Verdict says: "If you want an amazing 1,000 nits (IPS) LCD — go for the HP EliteBook 865 G10, Ryzen"... My comment directly talks about why the Sure View display is objectively not amazing, and has a lot of downsides. Also, I have an older Ryzen laptop with a 250 nit display and to me, it's basically too dark unless you work exclusively in low lighting (even sunlight from office windows made it unpleasant to work with) so I think the TUF would also be hard to recommend unless you really were someone who never looks at their screen (but then, why get a laptop?). The G14's display I'd say is significantly better than either the TUF or the HP's. Personally, I think 350 nits would be my minimum. The G14 has a 500 nit display. It's also DCI-P3 and Pantone validated making it much more color accurate. It's a matte display, supports HDR (largely irrelevant to Linux I know), and supports 120Hz and VRR (it can actually be tweaked to 144Hz and 30-144Hz VRR, which is actually amazing to me [1]). Notebookcheck of course has a review on the display: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ROG-Zephyrus-G14-GA402R-Gaming-Laptop-Review-AMD-Times-Two.608125.0.html#toc-4 https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ROG-Zephyrus-G14-GA402R-G... (much faster pixel response, PWM at 27KHz only at <35% brightness). USB 4 is available on the 2022 G14 via a beta BIOS: https://rog.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1049059 https://rog.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1049059 [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/ZephyrusG14/comments/w9k8p3/my_g14_2022_1600p_144hz_vrr_settings/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ZephyrusG14/comments/w9k8p3/my_g14_...

opengears 3y ago
Full Ack with the screen. Wow, the Beta Bios USB4 support looks very interesting! Wondering if this is an Asus only thing, or if other Ryzen 6000 devices also support USB4? Did you experience any of the mentioned issues "Might not be able to enter Modern Standby when Thunderbolt device is connected"? Edit: here is a "possible explanation why most ryzen 6000 laptops do not support usb 4 despite the platform technically supporting it" https://www.reddit.com/r/AMDLaptops/comments/wchl0q/a_possible_explanation_why_most_ryzen_6000/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AMDLaptops/comments/wchl0q/a_possib...
- lhl 3y ago
  Ryzen 6000 (Rembrandt) USB4 support was generally underwhelming. Some of it may have been FP7 limitations, but some of it may have been lack of AMD board support (eg, the ZenBooks were supposed to have USB4 support, don't have a dGPU so not a board layout issue, but was held up by BIOS issues as well). Supply chain may have played a part as well - a lot of ODM/OEMs skipped it due to parts shortages (retimers or power delivery components?). These issues are still a problem for Ryzen 7000 mobile (Phoenix). For some more color, see this Framework update for example: https://community.frame.work/t/responded-amd-batch-1-guild/28693/123 https://community.frame.work/t/responded-amd-batch-1-guild/2... I did a lot of research on the G14, but actually I ended up not getting one and going for a 12th-gen Intel Framework instead: https://github.com/lhl/linuxlaptops/wiki/2022-Framework-Laptop-DIY-Edition-12th-Gen-Intel-Batch-1 https://github.com/lhl/linuxlaptops/wiki/2022-Framework-Lapt... I had a Batch 1 AMD motherboard pre-order but ended up cancelling for reasons, although I did end up deciding to get a 7940HS mini PC, which I'm running as my main desktop computer now and that I've documented here: https://github.com/lhl/linuxlaptops/wiki/Minisforum-UM790-Pro https://github.com/lhl/linuxlaptops/wiki/Minisforum-UM790-Pr... I have it connected w/ a LINKUP Thunderbolt 3 dock now and it seems fine, but I don't have auto-suspend on and don't suspend the device. Overall, I really like the UM790 device, the main issue w/ it (that thankfully has workarounds) is that OOTB it suffers from crashes/reboots - I was able to fix it by either disabling PSS in the BIOS or disabling C6 in runtime via MSR (after which it's stable). This is likely an AMD AGESA issue (this seems to be a recurring forever bug w/ Zen processors) and an upcoming BIOS update is promised to fix it.

deaddodo 3y ago

> ASUS ROG Zephyrus G14 I have this laptop, it works wonderfully for Linux gaming.

Abby0 3y ago

Dell Insperion work really well for linux too, so is the high-performance Precision laptops, they often have a software package from Dell containing all needed kernel drivers to run the laptop, however I should point out managing CPU fan and thermals is a bit weird/bad sometimes (you can either hear your laptop run the fan on full speed without running any intensive process, and sometimes you can touch the pads around the trackpad only to find your laptop is really hot), this has been also my experience with Toshiba/HP laptops on linux as well.