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Who lied to you? Microsoft?

• sylware 3y ago
  open source software user groups fighting the mass default pre-installation of windows on PCs. As far as I could tell...
  • mcny 3y ago
    for reference, I am typing this on a minisforum um560XT which is a small desktop with a Ryzen 5600H mobile processor. The whole thing cost me under USD 500 with 500 GB SSD, 32 GB of RAM, and a windows 11 Pro license. Somehow I doubt there was enough room for Minisforum to pay Microsoft USD 215. I would gladly take the USD 215 discount and install an operating system myself if I had a choice.
    • opengears 3y ago
      I do not think that the vendor passes on $215 to microsoft, but 215 is what HP is charging their customers
      • mcny 3y ago
        This makes a lot of sense because a company with a decent size it infrastructure team probably gets its windows licenses directly from Microsoft so there is that perverse incentive for Lenovo Thinkpads and the likes to make the sticker price high so procurement can look good when they negotiate the sticker price down to sane amounts.
• dijit 3y ago
  I think it might be... us. People claiming without citation (since it's all secret anyway); that the bundled crapware almost completely subsidises a Windows license. "So unbundled would only save you about $20 anyway", why fight it. There was also this: https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/tech/99/02/biztech/articles/16windows.html https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/tech/99/... which, while massively out of date was netting people $25-$50~ who forced microsoft/OEMs to refund the windows license. EDIT: The wikipedia page cites several cases where Dell and Microsoft have both claimed $50: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundling_of_Microsoft_Windows https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundling_of_Microsoft_Windows Dell of course offering $50 as a discount when buying Linux builds or "FreeDOS" out of the factory.