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Apple? The people which removed the menu from the window and keep it separate to tease all users? Maximized windows and full-screen are itself a pain. I cannot

Apple? The people which removed the menu from the window and keep it separate to tease all users? Maximized windows and full-screen are itself a pain. I cannot use MacOS. Finder is especially bad. The partially weird idea of GNOME (Hamburger-Menu) is also a copy of CSD-Style. Putting that aside GNOME did some really good things (keyboard-centric usage, dash and overview instead of a desktop, no desktop-icons and system-tray). Evolution does a great job in this regard, they use menu-bar and CSD-menu at same time (configurable). And Evolution doesn’t follow the strict GNOME release cycle, which has some bad side-effects (Epipany and WebKitGtk should also do that). PS: GNOME has copied a lot of bad ideas from MacOS and killed at same time a lot of bad patterns from Windows (e.g. desktop metapher).

yawaramin 3y ago
The separated window menu which is always attached to the top of the screen, is a usability win. It gives you much more leeway to move your mouse and hit the target you're aiming for. See: Fitt's Law.
- mmphosis 3y ago
  I agree with you, except personal preferences get in the way. I would prefer the detached menu bar at the top of a monitor, others like the menu bar on every window, others want neither, or a hamburger menu, or a jumble of confusing tabs, or ... Preferences are my preference. The interface can be switched around and modified, turned off, turned on, completely removed, installed again. Not just the menu bar, but all sorts of interfaces: windows/tabs > checkbox/radio/list/combo/popup-menus and at various levels: virtual system > system > application > document/file > paste/clipboard/shelf > view/drawer. For example, why can't we have different running Apps appearing as tabs within a single window? I think we could have much much richer interfaces.
- p_l 3y ago
  It was a win on original Mac with tiny screen. On 4k 27", when not scaling to make it look like 1080p, the menu is nowhere close to what I am working on, and often had to move over multiple other applications.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  > The separated window menu which is always attached to the top of the screen, is a usability win. Not for me, it's not. I curse it heavily.

yawaramin 3y ago

The separated window menu which is always attached to the top of the screen, is a usability win. It gives you much more leeway to move your mouse and hit the target you're aiming for. See: Fitt's Law.

mmphosis 3y ago
I agree with you, except personal preferences get in the way. I would prefer the detached menu bar at the top of a monitor, others like the menu bar on every window, others want neither, or a hamburger menu, or a jumble of confusing tabs, or ... Preferences are my preference. The interface can be switched around and modified, turned off, turned on, completely removed, installed again. Not just the menu bar, but all sorts of interfaces: windows/tabs > checkbox/radio/list/combo/popup-menus and at various levels: virtual system > system > application > document/file > paste/clipboard/shelf > view/drawer. For example, why can't we have different running Apps appearing as tabs within a single window? I think we could have much much richer interfaces.
p_l 3y ago
It was a win on original Mac with tiny screen. On 4k 27", when not scaling to make it look like 1080p, the menu is nowhere close to what I am working on, and often had to move over multiple other applications.
JohnFen 3y ago
> The separated window menu which is always attached to the top of the screen, is a usability win. Not for me, it's not. I curse it heavily.