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Somewhat related: As someone who likes working on a single screen I typically like to open things in full-screen mode by default. MacOS plays a sluggish anima

by dgb23 3y ago

Somewhat related: As someone who likes working on a single screen I typically like to open things in full-screen mode by default. MacOS plays a sluggish animation when switching between screens. You can't turn it off, you can just switch between two similarly slow ones. I can't imagine a good reason for this. What is their model of a user and how did they derive "slow animation when switching windows is good" from that?

silvestrov 3y ago
Same with animation when switching to/from full screen. I mostly just want it to happend in an instant.
Y-bar 3y ago
It's been a staple Human Interface Guideline that applications should re-open in the layout and position they were when they quit. Personally I barely use full screen at all in Mac OS, but I can see why you want it. It is default in some apps, it should be default in all apps, it isn't.
jt2190 3y ago
> MacOS plays a sluggish animation when switching between screens... Perhaps: System Settings... Accessibility > Display: Reduce Motion
- dgb23 3y ago
  That just switches from one slow animation to another.
  - IIsi50MHz 3y ago
    And I don't want or need, for my own use, some Accessibility-defined systemwide setting that tells all apps to try not having motion. It sounds nice to have…should I ever need that. But at least from Apple's description it seems invasive and like it might possibly disable untold things that I don't want to mess with. I want to speed up or eliminate certain decorative things, like this particular animation. Since there's no obvious no-side-effects way, I just grumble and occasionally rediscover UI performance when I use some other system.
wredue 3y ago
People absolutely LOVE slow animations for general OS use. Personally, I want for what I asked to happen to actually happen when I press a button, but I am far and away the minority. What’s even worse, is that developers today have taken this “people love animations” stance and decided “hey, we can get away with utterly shit tier performance by just making an animation!” And so 15 second page loads are now the norm because you are rewarded with a few fade effects now and again. And now the “fuck performance” has invaded literally everything. We now even have technology being built for the express purpose of letting developers off the hook for performance characteristics (Look hard at you DLSS). Somehow, the general public has decided that DLSS is an optimization, and not actually just a way to not optimize at all. In the conversation of Starfields utterly dogshit optimization, the first “optimization” always brought up is DLSS. Our industry is completely fucking sideways.
- zootboy 3y ago
  My new favorite punching bag for this is Discourse. It's literally just a forum. Some text and maybe a few images. Nothing crazy. But their "new and improved" system has a stupid lazy-load design that takes 7 _seconds_ to load. The root document https transfer completes in 500 ms. What the flying fuck is going on in that remaining 6500 ms? And it's not just the first time. Every time you refresh the page, 7 seconds. And they have the audacity to call this towering pile of javascript nonsense "simple": https://www.discourse.org/about https://www.discourse.org/about
- dgb23 3y ago
  Every application developer or UI designer should be forced to sit next to a non-technical person for a couple of hours who uses a slow machine (partly because it's infested by programs and services that they absolutely don't need), while browsing the web or using common applications. It breaks my heart how much precious time and nerves of these users we're wasting. They use outdated devices, that still should work perfectly fine, but are grinded down by extremely slow programs. They don't understand many of the fancy UI patterns _at all_. UI elements without text are the worst offender. Animations and hover effects routinely and reliably get in their way. They get confused all the time because their UI changes: "I could always click the frobniz here, but now it's gone and everything looks different." Their system is basically stuck in "dark patterns". Their internet connections are often relatively slow and unreliable, but common software assume that it's always available going full blast. To do even basic tasks, they are nudged into registering to this or that, when often a simpler, less invasive solution exists. They spend ungodly amounts of time navigating stuff, while getting distracted by notifications, misleading information and so on. Often giving up in complete frustration.

by dgb23 3y ago

silvestrov 3y ago

Same with animation when switching to/from full screen. I mostly just want it to happend in an instant.

Y-bar 3y ago

It's been a staple Human Interface Guideline that applications should re-open in the layout and position they were when they quit. Personally I barely use full screen at all in Mac OS, but I can see why you want it. It is default in some apps, it should be default in all apps, it isn't.

jt2190 3y ago

> MacOS plays a sluggish animation when switching between screens... Perhaps: System Settings... Accessibility > Display: Reduce Motion

dgb23 3y ago
That just switches from one slow animation to another.
- IIsi50MHz 3y ago
  And I don't want or need, for my own use, some Accessibility-defined systemwide setting that tells all apps to try not having motion. It sounds nice to have…should I ever need that. But at least from Apple's description it seems invasive and like it might possibly disable untold things that I don't want to mess with. I want to speed up or eliminate certain decorative things, like this particular animation. Since there's no obvious no-side-effects way, I just grumble and occasionally rediscover UI performance when I use some other system.

wredue 3y ago

People absolutely LOVE slow animations for general OS use. Personally, I want for what I asked to happen to actually happen when I press a button, but I am far and away the minority. What’s even worse, is that developers today have taken this “people love animations” stance and decided “hey, we can get away with utterly shit tier performance by just making an animation!” And so 15 second page loads are now the norm because you are rewarded with a few fade effects now and again. And now the “fuck performance” has invaded literally everything. We now even have technology being built for the express purpose of letting developers off the hook for performance characteristics (Look hard at you DLSS). Somehow, the general public has decided that DLSS is an optimization, and not actually just a way to not optimize at all. In the conversation of Starfields utterly dogshit optimization, the first “optimization” always brought up is DLSS. Our industry is completely fucking sideways.

zootboy 3y ago
My new favorite punching bag for this is Discourse. It's literally just a forum. Some text and maybe a few images. Nothing crazy. But their "new and improved" system has a stupid lazy-load design that takes 7 _seconds_ to load. The root document https transfer completes in 500 ms. What the flying fuck is going on in that remaining 6500 ms? And it's not just the first time. Every time you refresh the page, 7 seconds. And they have the audacity to call this towering pile of javascript nonsense "simple": https://www.discourse.org/about https://www.discourse.org/about
dgb23 3y ago
Every application developer or UI designer should be forced to sit next to a non-technical person for a couple of hours who uses a slow machine (partly because it's infested by programs and services that they absolutely don't need), while browsing the web or using common applications. It breaks my heart how much precious time and nerves of these users we're wasting. They use outdated devices, that still should work perfectly fine, but are grinded down by extremely slow programs. They don't understand many of the fancy UI patterns _at all_. UI elements without text are the worst offender. Animations and hover effects routinely and reliably get in their way. They get confused all the time because their UI changes: "I could always click the frobniz here, but now it's gone and everything looks different." Their system is basically stuck in "dark patterns". Their internet connections are often relatively slow and unreliable, but common software assume that it's always available going full blast. To do even basic tasks, they are nudged into registering to this or that, when often a simpler, less invasive solution exists. They spend ungodly amounts of time navigating stuff, while getting distracted by notifications, misleading information and so on. Often giving up in complete frustration.