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> I can bring 100L gasoline with me to add 1000 km range on top of existing 500 range This is the big advantage. > not 5 hours This one is mixed. You can c

by mlyle 3y ago

> I can bring 100L gasoline with me to add 1000 km range on top of existing 500 range This is the big advantage. > not 5 hours This one is mixed. You can charge the EV at home for ordinary use. That's better. For road trips, you can use DC fast charging to add a bunch of range in 30 minutes. This is worse, requiring combining charging and meal stops. PHEVs are a decent compromise, though: you can do basically all of your driving electrically, and then burn a little bit of gas on road trips. > It does not get worse with every year Sure gasoline vehicles become more maintenance heavy and terrible over time. EV degradation is probably around 10-15% range lost after 5 years typical today. > May be except maintenance Odds are you don't deal with brake pads anymore, and yes, no oil changes. The sheer torque of most models feels like a spaceship when you press down the gas pedal.

KennyBlanken 3y ago
18 minutes to 80% charge in the 800v cars. Furthermore: for all the whining people do about "sitting around waiting for it to charge", those people conveniently leave out all the time they spend driving to/from and waiting at a gas station...whereas many EV owners just get home and take about 30 seconds to plug in. So, for the tradeoff of having to wait ~20 minutes instead of 5 to fuel up on a long trip, you get to not spend ~5 minutes every week or two driving to a gas station and filling up. Most Americans don't even drive enough per day to make it necessary to have level 2 in-home charging.
- jamiek88 3y ago
  And it works well too. My Kia ev6 goes from 20 to 80 percent in 18mins. Leaving home on full charge gets me around 280 miles on freeway (Circa 310 just pootling round town ev’s are opposite to ice like that). It’s better to drive at normal 75mph ish freeway speed and just fast charge rather than worrying about range and ‘hyper miling’. The 800v system is great real world. We are on west coast and charging infra is decent though even non Tesla.
hwillis 3y ago
>> I can bring 100L gasoline with me to add 1000 km range on top of existing 500 range > This is the big advantage. No, absolutely not. Who brings 160 lbs of gasoline with them anywhere? That's twice as much as an average cars gas tank. How many people do you know that have ever brought any gas on any trip ever? The "advantage" of being able to drive 12+ hours without taking a couple hours to charge is absolutely ridiculous. It's not something people do or should do. The only reasonable circumstance is if you're on a camping trip or something, and somehow driving hundreds of miles without passing a source of electricity- in which case yes, use a gas/ethanol car. In my honest opinion, it's a ridiculous demand that you should be able to drive 800 km without taking more than 5 minutes to stop. It's minimum 6 hours of driving, and like 30-40 minutes of charging. It's petulant to complain about that like it's a real issue. The real advantage is cost. It costs a lot of money to get a large battery that can charge quickly, when a $20k Civic can do it. Smaller the EV, the slower the charge, and the more inconvenient it is.
- qingcharles 3y ago
  Exactly! See my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37457646 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37457646
- toast0 3y ago
  > The "advantage" of being able to drive 12+ hours without taking a couple hours to charge is absolutely ridiculous. It's not something people do or should do. One person shouldn't drive 12 hours, but it's not bad for two people to split. It's not unreasonable at all if you have three drivers. Yes, you'll probably stop somewhere to eat and use the restroom. If that somewhere happens to have decent food, and a fast charger, and the fast charger doesn't have a line longer than your mealtime, then an EV would probaly work out. If those stars don't align, your long day of driving got even longer. I don't bring gas cans on long trips, because gas stations are ubiquitous; but I have enough gas equipmemt at home that I keep them at home, and I use them to fill up my cars at home regularly to keep the gas fresh, and avoid paying the markup of my nearest gas stations. PHEV is a better choice than either IMHO. You get two year maintenance windows, you get long distances between fueling, you can use electric for local trips if it makes sense, you can live in an apartment with no charging infrastructure, you get reduced brake wear, you get a lot of low end torque if that's relevant to you. You probably lose out on cargo space though, cause PHEVs tend not to have handy places to stash the batteries. Oh, and internet people will argue that it's the worst of both, and you'll have to ignore them.

by mlyle 3y ago

KennyBlanken 3y ago

18 minutes to 80% charge in the 800v cars. Furthermore: for all the whining people do about "sitting around waiting for it to charge", those people conveniently leave out all the time they spend driving to/from and waiting at a gas station...whereas many EV owners just get home and take about 30 seconds to plug in. So, for the tradeoff of having to wait ~20 minutes instead of 5 to fuel up on a long trip, you get to not spend ~5 minutes every week or two driving to a gas station and filling up. Most Americans don't even drive enough per day to make it necessary to have level 2 in-home charging.

jamiek88 3y ago
And it works well too. My Kia ev6 goes from 20 to 80 percent in 18mins. Leaving home on full charge gets me around 280 miles on freeway (Circa 310 just pootling round town ev’s are opposite to ice like that). It’s better to drive at normal 75mph ish freeway speed and just fast charge rather than worrying about range and ‘hyper miling’. The 800v system is great real world. We are on west coast and charging infra is decent though even non Tesla.

hwillis 3y ago

>> I can bring 100L gasoline with me to add 1000 km range on top of existing 500 range > This is the big advantage. No, absolutely not. Who brings 160 lbs of gasoline with them anywhere? That's twice as much as an average cars gas tank. How many people do you know that have ever brought any gas on any trip ever? The "advantage" of being able to drive 12+ hours without taking a couple hours to charge is absolutely ridiculous. It's not something people do or should do. The only reasonable circumstance is if you're on a camping trip or something, and somehow driving hundreds of miles without passing a source of electricity- in which case yes, use a gas/ethanol car. In my honest opinion, it's a ridiculous demand that you should be able to drive 800 km without taking more than 5 minutes to stop. It's minimum 6 hours of driving, and like 30-40 minutes of charging. It's petulant to complain about that like it's a real issue. The real advantage is cost. It costs a lot of money to get a large battery that can charge quickly, when a $20k Civic can do it. Smaller the EV, the slower the charge, and the more inconvenient it is.

qingcharles 3y ago
Exactly! See my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37457646 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37457646
toast0 3y ago
> The "advantage" of being able to drive 12+ hours without taking a couple hours to charge is absolutely ridiculous. It's not something people do or should do. One person shouldn't drive 12 hours, but it's not bad for two people to split. It's not unreasonable at all if you have three drivers. Yes, you'll probably stop somewhere to eat and use the restroom. If that somewhere happens to have decent food, and a fast charger, and the fast charger doesn't have a line longer than your mealtime, then an EV would probaly work out. If those stars don't align, your long day of driving got even longer. I don't bring gas cans on long trips, because gas stations are ubiquitous; but I have enough gas equipmemt at home that I keep them at home, and I use them to fill up my cars at home regularly to keep the gas fresh, and avoid paying the markup of my nearest gas stations. PHEV is a better choice than either IMHO. You get two year maintenance windows, you get long distances between fueling, you can use electric for local trips if it makes sense, you can live in an apartment with no charging infrastructure, you get reduced brake wear, you get a lot of low end torque if that's relevant to you. You probably lose out on cargo space though, cause PHEVs tend not to have handy places to stash the batteries. Oh, and internet people will argue that it's the worst of both, and you'll have to ignore them.