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I mean, you can murder, rape, steal, lie, and more with a badge. If you want accountability, you have to get rid of the unions

notatoad 3y ago
the unions are only another symptom of the problem: if you get rid of all the bad cops, you don't have enough workers left to do all the work we currently assign to police. bad cops don't keep their jobs because they have a powerful union, they keep their jobs because the demand for police officers is so high. and that's the same reason the union has so much power. if you want accountability, reduce the number of policing jobs to some number lower than the number of people who want to be police.
- r00fus 3y ago
  Police unions are definitely part of the blue omerta. But the most important factor you didn’t raise is the increasing corporate funding of police [1]. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/18/police-foundations-nonprofits-amazon-target-microsoft https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/18/police-found...
- ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
  > if you get rid of all the bad cops, you don't have enough workers left to do all the work we currently assign to police maybe, maybe not you would definitely open up the profession to all the people who consider themselves honest, and thus who have avoided a career in policing, which is rife in corruption, rewards corruption, and penalizes honesty and let's be honest, it pays a TON for what isn't even close to one of the most dangerous professions, so neither pay nor danger are what keeps smart, honest people away currently, most such people would avoid it because of the culture (particularly the culture of corruption), and bad police don't want and, indeed, deter such people from joining their ranks > bad cops don't keep their jobs because they have a powerful union almost universally, they do: the union literally prevents firing most bad police officers
- phatskat 3y ago
  Remember the Defund the Police thing? Turns out that places that diverted money to non-police alternatives for things like mental health calls have been doing well so far. So, get rid of the bad cops and give that money to people who can help without a gun.

notatoad 3y ago

the unions are only another symptom of the problem: if you get rid of all the bad cops, you don't have enough workers left to do all the work we currently assign to police. bad cops don't keep their jobs because they have a powerful union, they keep their jobs because the demand for police officers is so high. and that's the same reason the union has so much power. if you want accountability, reduce the number of policing jobs to some number lower than the number of people who want to be police.

r00fus 3y ago
Police unions are definitely part of the blue omerta. But the most important factor you didn’t raise is the increasing corporate funding of police [1]. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/18/police-foundations-nonprofits-amazon-target-microsoft https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/18/police-found...
ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
> if you get rid of all the bad cops, you don't have enough workers left to do all the work we currently assign to police maybe, maybe not you would definitely open up the profession to all the people who consider themselves honest, and thus who have avoided a career in policing, which is rife in corruption, rewards corruption, and penalizes honesty and let's be honest, it pays a TON for what isn't even close to one of the most dangerous professions, so neither pay nor danger are what keeps smart, honest people away currently, most such people would avoid it because of the culture (particularly the culture of corruption), and bad police don't want and, indeed, deter such people from joining their ranks > bad cops don't keep their jobs because they have a powerful union almost universally, they do: the union literally prevents firing most bad police officers
phatskat 3y ago
Remember the Defund the Police thing? Turns out that places that diverted money to non-police alternatives for things like mental health calls have been doing well so far. So, get rid of the bad cops and give that money to people who can help without a gun.