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Look around. Everyone on earth wants to maintain a standard of living. Governments are toppled over this. And yet it is the largest economy that is objectively

Look around. Everyone on earth wants to maintain a standard of living. Governments are toppled over this. And yet it is the largest economy that is objectively slowing its share of contributed emissions. And it’s the largest exhibit that is helping to drive the innovation needed to solve this problem, alongside incredible people from all parts of the globe. I wish we weren’t dealing with this. I wish there had been a better, more cost effective way to grow. Maybe if you or I hadn’t been born, our emissions might lower enough to make the difference. But I’d suggest now isn’t the time to count scores. We need to stay focused and continue the work. Despite our flaws we are all worth saving.

black_13 3y ago
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zetsurin 3y ago
I'm not disagreeing with your conclusions... >And yet it is the largest economy that is objectively slowing its share of contributed emissions. These largest economy's also contributed the most over their history, which seems reasonable grounds for contributing more and helping other economies come up to that standard of living w/o making the same contributions
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  As a US citizen, I’d be happy for us to stand up (ie fully fund) a “solarcorps,” where we send folks to help build out renewable infra in developing countries subsidized or free. Your country provides the local labor who will be paid fair wages, we’ll provide hardware and know how. Conversely, if that help is not accepted and they keep building coal plants (or similar “business as usual”), punitive economic policies are enacted. The carrot is welcome, but sometimes the stick is needed. People are tricky, but physical systems don’t give AF. Simultaneously, the developed world should partner with China to stoke uptake of EVs globally, and rapidly destroy the market for fossil powered mobility (although there is strong evidence we're rapidly approaching a tipping point wrt EV sales [1]). TLDR War time effort without the war. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-28/electric-cars-pass-a-crucial-tipping-point-in-23-countries https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-28/electric-... | https://archive.ph/jakiU https://archive.ph/jakiU
- concordDance 3y ago
  I'm unsure to what extent the people of today should be paying for the benefits their ancestors reaped. Yes, some wealth trickled down the generations buts its definitely not a 1 to 1 ratio.
- reducesuffering 3y ago
  > largest economy's also contributed the most over their history While exporting most of that technological development and scientific research to every country too... Or maybe someone can believe China can make 7nm chips at a fraction of the historical emissions of other countries at 5nm, with no knowledge transfer

black_13 3y ago

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zetsurin 3y ago

I'm not disagreeing with your conclusions... >And yet it is the largest economy that is objectively slowing its share of contributed emissions. These largest economy's also contributed the most over their history, which seems reasonable grounds for contributing more and helping other economies come up to that standard of living w/o making the same contributions

toomuchtodo 3y ago
As a US citizen, I’d be happy for us to stand up (ie fully fund) a “solarcorps,” where we send folks to help build out renewable infra in developing countries subsidized or free. Your country provides the local labor who will be paid fair wages, we’ll provide hardware and know how. Conversely, if that help is not accepted and they keep building coal plants (or similar “business as usual”), punitive economic policies are enacted. The carrot is welcome, but sometimes the stick is needed. People are tricky, but physical systems don’t give AF. Simultaneously, the developed world should partner with China to stoke uptake of EVs globally, and rapidly destroy the market for fossil powered mobility (although there is strong evidence we're rapidly approaching a tipping point wrt EV sales [1]). TLDR War time effort without the war. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-28/electric-cars-pass-a-crucial-tipping-point-in-23-countries https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-28/electric-... | https://archive.ph/jakiU https://archive.ph/jakiU
concordDance 3y ago
I'm unsure to what extent the people of today should be paying for the benefits their ancestors reaped. Yes, some wealth trickled down the generations buts its definitely not a 1 to 1 ratio.
reducesuffering 3y ago
> largest economy's also contributed the most over their history While exporting most of that technological development and scientific research to every country too... Or maybe someone can believe China can make 7nm chips at a fraction of the historical emissions of other countries at 5nm, with no knowledge transfer