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I found Phoenix in the summer to be uninhabitable for me even decades ago. The fact that ~2 million people live in that area, mostly without being forced to, gi

I found Phoenix in the summer to be uninhabitable for me even decades ago. The fact that ~2 million people live in that area, mostly without being forced to, gives me hope for the survivability of our species on a warming globe. Just not for my particular genome. My survival strategy was to stay in air conditioned spaces and carefully plan my movements from one such place to another like a astronaut preparing for an EVA.

Fauntleroy 3y ago
That sounds fine and dandy, but they don't grow food there. That's going to be a much bigger problem than whether or not people can tolerate being indoors all day.
- saberience 3y ago
  Don’t even start trying to work out how bad the water wars would be if everywhere was like Phoenix. Water rights between states and between nations are going to lead to war and mass migration.
  - coffeebeqn 3y ago
    Too hot to fight!
  - irrational 3y ago
    That’s why I’m glad I already live in the Pacific Northwest. At some point I imagine there will be a huge influx if only for our plentiful water.
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
  I'm not sure what you mean by "there" because metropolitan areas typically do not have much agrarian enterprise, but Arizona grows plenty of cotton, beef, and citrus, and always has. https://extension.arizona.edu/arizona-citrus-resources https://extension.arizona.edu/arizona-citrus-resources https://www.arizonabeef.org/the-beef-story/cattle-in-arizona https://www.arizonabeef.org/the-beef-story/cattle-in-arizona https://www.cooperranchlife.com/contact https://www.cooperranchlife.com/contact https://azgrassraisedbeef.com/shipping/ https://azgrassraisedbeef.com/shipping/ Of course, the urban landscape as it is now, used to be dominated by farmland, and so it isn't what it used to, but if you meant to write "they can't grow food there" that also another lie, because there is plenty of food that grows quite well here. In fact, several of my friends love to share the produce from the trees in their yards and their backyard gardens.
  - irrational 3y ago
    I think they mean at a certain point there will be no water to grow plants and it might even be too hot to grow them even if there was water.
    - edgyquant 3y ago
      Why would this ever be the case? The planet is 2/3s water
      - HNDen21 3y ago
        That is mostly sea/ocean, a lot of desalination would be needed
      - hairofadog 3y ago
        It’s 2/3 salt water. Desalinization is resource intensive, and water transport is fraught with geopolitical peril.
        NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
        If only there were some method of extracting fresh water from the sky, somehow
        irrational 3y ago
        Not if Arizona receives less rainfall, as predicted.
- downut 3y ago
  You might want to look up what happens in Yuma and the Imperial Valley, where it can be even hotter, because 1000ft lower elevation. People have been farming the Salt River and Gila River valleys for many centuries. I see that wikipedia has got a nice article on the Hohokam people, and the large scale network of irrigation canals they built. Not much happens in the summer, that's true, but since all SW ag is irrigated, a lot is grown during the rest of the year. Now I can't stand Sonoran Desert summers, not possible to be outside comfortably, but a lot of people really like the rest of the year there.
mark_l_watson 3y ago
When I was young, in 1978, I went to the US. Hess Open in Phoenix, in August. It blew my mind, how hot it was. Then in 1998 my wife and I moved to Arizona, but in a cooler spot two hours north of Phoenix in the mountains. Love Arizona after we lived in a crowded beach town in California.
- downut 3y ago
  We spent 25 years in Prescott, which is 1.5 hrs NW of PHX, and is at 5000+ ft. Due N. a couple of hours, Flagstaff 7000ft. We thought that the weather in Prescott was fantastic: 4 seasons, half dozen 2 day blizzards that melted in 3 days, and July-Sept monsoons keeping the highs under 90F. Flagstaff OTOH, brrrrr. True fact: in late spring early summer Flagstaff is occasionally the coldest place in the US (outside AK). Most people don't realize that Phoenix and Tucson, where nearly all the people are, are not at all like the 2/3 of the rest N and E.

Fauntleroy 3y ago

That sounds fine and dandy, but they don't grow food there. That's going to be a much bigger problem than whether or not people can tolerate being indoors all day.

saberience 3y ago
Don’t even start trying to work out how bad the water wars would be if everywhere was like Phoenix. Water rights between states and between nations are going to lead to war and mass migration.
- coffeebeqn 3y ago
  Too hot to fight!
- irrational 3y ago
  That’s why I’m glad I already live in the Pacific Northwest. At some point I imagine there will be a huge influx if only for our plentiful water.
NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
I'm not sure what you mean by "there" because metropolitan areas typically do not have much agrarian enterprise, but Arizona grows plenty of cotton, beef, and citrus, and always has. https://extension.arizona.edu/arizona-citrus-resources https://extension.arizona.edu/arizona-citrus-resources https://www.arizonabeef.org/the-beef-story/cattle-in-arizona https://www.arizonabeef.org/the-beef-story/cattle-in-arizona https://www.cooperranchlife.com/contact https://www.cooperranchlife.com/contact https://azgrassraisedbeef.com/shipping/ https://azgrassraisedbeef.com/shipping/ Of course, the urban landscape as it is now, used to be dominated by farmland, and so it isn't what it used to, but if you meant to write "they can't grow food there" that also another lie, because there is plenty of food that grows quite well here. In fact, several of my friends love to share the produce from the trees in their yards and their backyard gardens.
- irrational 3y ago
  I think they mean at a certain point there will be no water to grow plants and it might even be too hot to grow them even if there was water.
  - edgyquant 3y ago
    Why would this ever be the case? The planet is 2/3s water
    - HNDen21 3y ago
      That is mostly sea/ocean, a lot of desalination would be needed
    - hairofadog 3y ago
      It’s 2/3 salt water. Desalinization is resource intensive, and water transport is fraught with geopolitical peril.
      - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
        If only there were some method of extracting fresh water from the sky, somehow
        irrational 3y ago
        Not if Arizona receives less rainfall, as predicted.
downut 3y ago
You might want to look up what happens in Yuma and the Imperial Valley, where it can be even hotter, because 1000ft lower elevation. People have been farming the Salt River and Gila River valleys for many centuries. I see that wikipedia has got a nice article on the Hohokam people, and the large scale network of irrigation canals they built. Not much happens in the summer, that's true, but since all SW ag is irrigated, a lot is grown during the rest of the year. Now I can't stand Sonoran Desert summers, not possible to be outside comfortably, but a lot of people really like the rest of the year there.

mark_l_watson 3y ago

When I was young, in 1978, I went to the US. Hess Open in Phoenix, in August. It blew my mind, how hot it was. Then in 1998 my wife and I moved to Arizona, but in a cooler spot two hours north of Phoenix in the mountains. Love Arizona after we lived in a crowded beach town in California.

downut 3y ago
We spent 25 years in Prescott, which is 1.5 hrs NW of PHX, and is at 5000+ ft. Due N. a couple of hours, Flagstaff 7000ft. We thought that the weather in Prescott was fantastic: 4 seasons, half dozen 2 day blizzards that melted in 3 days, and July-Sept monsoons keeping the highs under 90F. Flagstaff OTOH, brrrrr. True fact: in late spring early summer Flagstaff is occasionally the coldest place in the US (outside AK). Most people don't realize that Phoenix and Tucson, where nearly all the people are, are not at all like the 2/3 of the rest N and E.