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> The reality is just the opposite: the only option for stopping climate change is to reduce CO2 emissions completely Perhaps. But knowing what we know about t

> The reality is just the opposite: the only option for stopping climate change is to reduce CO2 emissions completely Perhaps. But knowing what we know about this issue and: - our elected officials - Big Inc and Big Inc leadership - The momentum from Cronie Capitalism - The general public's inability to change habits - Humans fondness for the status quo - Etc etc etc How realistic is reduction that extreme? And if we could wouldn't we be leaning in that direction already? Note: I do agree with you in theory. I wish it were likely. But realistically I know it's not. Things are going to get worse - perhaps much worse - before they get better.

ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
Well, I think that people will have major changes to the status quo as climate changes become more extreme and habitable zones start to become inhabitable.
- concordDance 3y ago
  Note that the most affected will not be the current rich countries, e.g. Europe, North America unless they choose to be by allowing in refugees. Being Northern means a few degrees of warming still has them well within the habitable zone, requiring fairly minor sacrificies to keep same quality of life.
  - ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
    That seems a simplistic evaluation. North America is already experiencing anomalous weather events and climate change isn't necessarily just going to be areas getting hotter (although that will happen), but also weather patterns drastically changing. The big issue is of course food security and changing weather patterns are going to decimate some crops and result in widespread famines.
- chiefalchemist 3y ago
  A simple example...people (in the West) can't change their diet and lifestyle for their own well being, what are the odds they'll change (e.g., less factory farmed animal proteins) for the good of others and the planet?
hotpotamus 3y ago
I don't get why people say things are going to get worse before they get better. Global warming is a problem of cumulative carbon buildup - it just gets worse before it gets worse, and if you hit points that start to trigger feedback loops, then it gets worse no matter what humans do. Though I'd rather not believe it, my suspicion is that it's already much too late in the game to change the outcome.
- chiefalchemist 3y ago
  Relatively, the ecosystem is low concern when compared to the sociopolitical implications. The latter trending in the wrong direction is early days. It *will* get worse.
tsimionescu 3y ago
It's still much more realistic than carbon capture of billions upon billions of tons.
- chiefalchemist 3y ago
  The carbon capture odds are certainly low, but when compared to changing the forward momentum of the current system...ships of that size don't change direction easily or quickly. Either we hit the iceberg, or we find a way to blow it out of the water. Avoiding it? That'll take a miracle.

ndsipa_pomu 3y ago

Well, I think that people will have major changes to the status quo as climate changes become more extreme and habitable zones start to become inhabitable.

concordDance 3y ago
Note that the most affected will not be the current rich countries, e.g. Europe, North America unless they choose to be by allowing in refugees. Being Northern means a few degrees of warming still has them well within the habitable zone, requiring fairly minor sacrificies to keep same quality of life.
- ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
  That seems a simplistic evaluation. North America is already experiencing anomalous weather events and climate change isn't necessarily just going to be areas getting hotter (although that will happen), but also weather patterns drastically changing. The big issue is of course food security and changing weather patterns are going to decimate some crops and result in widespread famines.
chiefalchemist 3y ago
A simple example...people (in the West) can't change their diet and lifestyle for their own well being, what are the odds they'll change (e.g., less factory farmed animal proteins) for the good of others and the planet?

hotpotamus 3y ago

I don't get why people say things are going to get worse before they get better. Global warming is a problem of cumulative carbon buildup - it just gets worse before it gets worse, and if you hit points that start to trigger feedback loops, then it gets worse no matter what humans do. Though I'd rather not believe it, my suspicion is that it's already much too late in the game to change the outcome.

chiefalchemist 3y ago
Relatively, the ecosystem is low concern when compared to the sociopolitical implications. The latter trending in the wrong direction is early days. It *will* get worse.

tsimionescu 3y ago

It's still much more realistic than carbon capture of billions upon billions of tons.

chiefalchemist 3y ago
The carbon capture odds are certainly low, but when compared to changing the forward momentum of the current system...ships of that size don't change direction easily or quickly. Either we hit the iceberg, or we find a way to blow it out of the water. Avoiding it? That'll take a miracle.