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End of servicing plan for third-party printer drivers on Windows

54 points by withinrafael 3y ago

jacooper 3y ago
The title isnt the best, it should say that windows no longer needs dedicated printer drivers > With the release of Windows 10 21H2, Windows offers inbox support for Mopria compliant printer devices over network and USB interfaces via the Microsoft IPP Class Driver. This removes the need for print device manufacturers to provide their own installers, drivers, utilities, and so on. Device experience customization is now available via the Print Support Apps that are distributed and automatically installed via the Windows Store At least we dont have to deal with stupid drivers anymore.
- tehbeard 3y ago
  Nope, just stupid "Print Support Apps" with inevitable subscription models.
  - kotaKat 3y ago
    Yes but no -- you can just configure Windows to /not/ load the UWP apps/etc. The core printing should just work. Everything will still be exposed over IPP or IPP over USB and requires compliance with Mopria for universal scan/print. It should just be as easy as plug-and-play (finally, hopefully).
    - zamalek 3y ago
      > It should just be as easy as plug-and-play Never underestimate printer manufacturers. They'll fuck it up somehow.
    - nuodag 3y ago
      if you have me a reg key or something that enables automatic driver install but disables app install i’d be thankful, i was searching for that but never could find it
- Jemm 3y ago
  Manufacturer installed "drivers" are much more than just drivers. They are designed to lock in users and collect data while constantly upselling.
  - blibble 3y ago
    that sounds no worse than regular Windows 10
    - avmich 3y ago
      https://xkcd.com/528/ https://xkcd.com/528/
- Pesthuf 3y ago
  That is if the printer manufacturers are willing to support this interface. With how predatory they act otherwise, I don't see them giving up running their own code in the NT kernel.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - tonyedgecombe 3y ago
    Most of them have been dragging their feet on switching to V4 drivers, a technology that was introduced with Vista and was back ported to XP.
    - threesevenths 3y ago
      In large part because v4 drivers required re-architecting their drivers. While many manufacturers made unique drivers for many printers or printer families, they all likely built on a shared framework and were not entirely novel. V4 drivers also tended to be buggier and had more problems for administrators until Windows 7.
      - tonyedgecombe 3y ago
        Vista was introduced in 2006, 17 years ago. I think that is enough time to iron out the problems.
  - guidedlight 3y ago
    I see them moving their predatory software to the printer itself. My HP printer already runs a flavour of Android.
  - antiterra 3y ago
    This is their interface, is it not? “The alliance was formed in September 2013 by Canon, HP, Samsung, and Xerox.” It looks like everyone else has signed on since: https://mopria.org/certified-products https://mopria.org/certified-products
  - 3y ago
greatgib 3y ago
I never heard about Mopria framework or certification. Would this mean that now we can assume that all printers should work in Linux by just supporting this single interface?
- TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
  Xerox B230 which I got has it. You can connect your printer to the LAN and print from PC and in my case Android Phone as well using Mopria Print app as a driver.
- tonyedgecombe 3y ago
  I notice Apple isn't a member. I wonder how much impact this has on Linux printing as Apple seems to own cups.
  - vondur 3y ago
    Apple is pushing AirPrint for printing in MacOS and iOS. I've noticed in certain cases you have to download the HP app from the App Store to get full functionality for HP devices.
breakingcups 3y ago
I guess we're going to see a surge of shitty Updater programs, services, tray icons, etc. again.
- deleted 3y ago
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threesevenths 3y ago
There is an important point in the article faq > Q: Will supporting Mopria certification be a mandatory requirement for HLK (Hardware Lab Kit)? > A: Yes. This means that going forward we can expect Microsoft to only support Mopria printers in Windows. This is a step backwards for platform openness in Windows. Without supporting tests on HLK, drivers will likely be rejected for signing and will not be installable on an unmodified version of windows.

54 points by withinrafael 3y ago

The title isnt the best, it should say that windows no longer needs dedicated printer drivers > With the release of Windows 10 21H2, Windows offers inbox support for Mopria compliant printer devices over network and USB interfaces via the Microsoft IPP Class Driver. This removes the need for print device manufacturers to provide their own installers, drivers, utilities, and so on. Device experience customization is now available via the Print Support Apps that are distributed and automatically installed via the Windows Store At least we dont have to deal with stupid drivers anymore.

tehbeard 3y ago
Nope, just stupid "Print Support Apps" with inevitable subscription models.
- kotaKat 3y ago
  Yes but no -- you can just configure Windows to /not/ load the UWP apps/etc. The core printing should just work. Everything will still be exposed over IPP or IPP over USB and requires compliance with Mopria for universal scan/print. It should just be as easy as plug-and-play (finally, hopefully).
  - zamalek 3y ago
    > It should just be as easy as plug-and-play Never underestimate printer manufacturers. They'll fuck it up somehow.
  - nuodag 3y ago
    if you have me a reg key or something that enables automatic driver install but disables app install i’d be thankful, i was searching for that but never could find it
Jemm 3y ago
Manufacturer installed "drivers" are much more than just drivers. They are designed to lock in users and collect data while constantly upselling.
- blibble 3y ago
  that sounds no worse than regular Windows 10
  - avmich 3y ago
    https://xkcd.com/528/ https://xkcd.com/528/
Pesthuf 3y ago
That is if the printer manufacturers are willing to support this interface. With how predatory they act otherwise, I don't see them giving up running their own code in the NT kernel.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- tonyedgecombe 3y ago
  Most of them have been dragging their feet on switching to V4 drivers, a technology that was introduced with Vista and was back ported to XP.
  - threesevenths 3y ago
    In large part because v4 drivers required re-architecting their drivers. While many manufacturers made unique drivers for many printers or printer families, they all likely built on a shared framework and were not entirely novel. V4 drivers also tended to be buggier and had more problems for administrators until Windows 7.
    - tonyedgecombe 3y ago
      Vista was introduced in 2006, 17 years ago. I think that is enough time to iron out the problems.
- guidedlight 3y ago
  I see them moving their predatory software to the printer itself. My HP printer already runs a flavour of Android.
- antiterra 3y ago
  This is their interface, is it not? “The alliance was formed in September 2013 by Canon, HP, Samsung, and Xerox.” It looks like everyone else has signed on since: https://mopria.org/certified-products https://mopria.org/certified-products
- 3y ago

greatgib 3y ago

I never heard about Mopria framework or certification. Would this mean that now we can assume that all printers should work in Linux by just supporting this single interface?

TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
Xerox B230 which I got has it. You can connect your printer to the LAN and print from PC and in my case Android Phone as well using Mopria Print app as a driver.
tonyedgecombe 3y ago
I notice Apple isn't a member. I wonder how much impact this has on Linux printing as Apple seems to own cups.
- vondur 3y ago
  Apple is pushing AirPrint for printing in MacOS and iOS. I've noticed in certain cases you have to download the HP app from the App Store to get full functionality for HP devices.

breakingcups 3y ago

I guess we're going to see a surge of shitty Updater programs, services, tray icons, etc. again.

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threesevenths 3y ago

There is an important point in the article faq > Q: Will supporting Mopria certification be a mandatory requirement for HLK (Hardware Lab Kit)? > A: Yes. This means that going forward we can expect Microsoft to only support Mopria printers in Windows. This is a step backwards for platform openness in Windows. Without supporting tests on HLK, drivers will likely be rejected for signing and will not be installable on an unmodified version of windows.