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> Nobody thinks direct air capture is a scam I do

sanderjd 3y ago
Sorry I meant nobody who works seriously on climate solutions. There are many people who are in that category and reasonably believe point source capture is a bad / scam idea (which, again, I disagree with this strongly), but it's still clear to those people that we need to get direct air capture of some kind working at some point in time to reverse the trend rather than just mitigate it like we're doing now (though many reasonably believe now isn't the right time, which, again, I disagree with).
- alexey-salmin 3y ago
  Any solution that draws electricity from the grid is a scam because it's better to shut it down along with the matching amount of power generation. Any solution that relies on scarce resources like fertile soil, freshwater or agricultural waste is a scam because it has zero impact at this scale and will never grow beyond that. In theory, there are feasible solutions that would rely e.g on solar energy and seawater, but I'm yet to see one. If you people "who works seriously on climate solutions" want to be taken seriously outside of your circle, you first need to call out openly and honestly all the scams in your field. But since they amount to like 95% of it no one dares to disrupt the flow of money. Basically you're like "people seriously working on mortgage derivative solutions" in 2008.
  - sanderjd 3y ago
    > If you people "who works seriously on climate solutions" want to be taken seriously outside of your circle, you first need to call out openly and honestly all the scams in your field. I didn't say I was one of those people. But the reason the people who do work seriously on climate technology don't consider DAC a scam is not that they are dishonest, it's that it isn't a scam; it's a nascent technology that may not work out, but currently seems promising. > Any solution that draws electricity from the grid is a scam because it's better to shut it down along with the matching amount of power generation. The nice thing about connecting things to the grid is that then instead of decarbonizing the energy use of a bunch of heterogenous things, you can focus on decarbonizing the grid, and then everything connected to it benefits at once.

Sorry I meant nobody who works seriously on climate solutions. There are many people who are in that category and reasonably believe point source capture is a bad / scam idea (which, again, I disagree with this strongly), but it's still clear to those people that we need to get direct air capture of some kind working at some point in time to reverse the trend rather than just mitigate it like we're doing now (though many reasonably believe now isn't the right time, which, again, I disagree with).

alexey-salmin 3y ago
Any solution that draws electricity from the grid is a scam because it's better to shut it down along with the matching amount of power generation. Any solution that relies on scarce resources like fertile soil, freshwater or agricultural waste is a scam because it has zero impact at this scale and will never grow beyond that. In theory, there are feasible solutions that would rely e.g on solar energy and seawater, but I'm yet to see one. If you people "who works seriously on climate solutions" want to be taken seriously outside of your circle, you first need to call out openly and honestly all the scams in your field. But since they amount to like 95% of it no one dares to disrupt the flow of money. Basically you're like "people seriously working on mortgage derivative solutions" in 2008.
- sanderjd 3y ago
  > If you people "who works seriously on climate solutions" want to be taken seriously outside of your circle, you first need to call out openly and honestly all the scams in your field. I didn't say I was one of those people. But the reason the people who do work seriously on climate technology don't consider DAC a scam is not that they are dishonest, it's that it isn't a scam; it's a nascent technology that may not work out, but currently seems promising. > Any solution that draws electricity from the grid is a scam because it's better to shut it down along with the matching amount of power generation. The nice thing about connecting things to the grid is that then instead of decarbonizing the energy use of a bunch of heterogenous things, you can focus on decarbonizing the grid, and then everything connected to it benefits at once.