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Most aluminum for European countries comes from recycled sources. It's way less energy to just smelt old soda cans. About 75% of all aluminum ever produced is

Most aluminum for European countries comes from recycled sources. It's way less energy to just smelt old soda cans. About 75% of all aluminum ever produced is currently is use, because we're so good at recycling it. We need to get lithium from 5 to 75% https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_recycling#:~:text=Today%2C%20about%2075%20percent%20of,recycling%20are%20taken%20into%20account https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_recycling#:~:text=....

eru 3y ago
> We need to get lithium from 5 to 75% As long as you store your old batteries (and other lithium containing gadgets), I shouldn't make too much of a difference if you recycle them now or in ten years?
- iancmceachern 3y ago
  Where and how do we store them safely? In landfills? This brings up an aside I've been wondering about for years, when are we going to start mining our old landfills?
  - KingMob 3y ago
    We just need more people to accidentally toss their bitcoin keys in the trash! https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/15/uk/bitcoin-trash-landfill-gbr-scli-intl/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/15/uk/bitcoin-trash-landfill...
  - eru 3y ago
    > Where and how do we store them safely? You could probably just stick them in a warehouse? Or a specialised landfill that only keeps electronics or batteries. (Most just to keep the overall volume down, so it's more economical to make whatever special arrangements you need to keep everything safe enough.)
safety1st 3y ago
Well if we're comparing the recycling of old soda cans to lithium batteries... I had to throw a few old phones away recently. I Googled and found a mobile phone store near me that accepted e-waste for free, so I went a bit out of my way and took the phones there. I was not, however, given a bit of cash for every phone I returned..!
- gorlilla 3y ago
  Soda can deposits are far from universal an do not result in free money... they simply refund the deposit that was paid up.
  - iancmceachern 3y ago
    But they do make sure more bottles amd cans get recycled. In practice it creates a whole ecosystem of people collecting amd cashing them in. If we didn't have the deposit, the government would have to pay for that cleanup
- kwhitefoot 3y ago
  Batteries in Norway have a very high recycling rate and large batteries like car starter batteries attract a specific tax (miljø gebyr, environment charge) that assists in funding the recycling operations. Everyone who sells batteries has to be a member of an approved recycling group and be willing to accept for recycling batteries of the same general type even if they did not sell them. So you can dump your old phone batteries in a box at any supermarket.

eru 3y ago

> We need to get lithium from 5 to 75% As long as you store your old batteries (and other lithium containing gadgets), I shouldn't make too much of a difference if you recycle them now or in ten years?

iancmceachern 3y ago
Where and how do we store them safely? In landfills? This brings up an aside I've been wondering about for years, when are we going to start mining our old landfills?
- KingMob 3y ago
  We just need more people to accidentally toss their bitcoin keys in the trash! https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/15/uk/bitcoin-trash-landfill-gbr-scli-intl/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/15/uk/bitcoin-trash-landfill...
- eru 3y ago
  > Where and how do we store them safely? You could probably just stick them in a warehouse? Or a specialised landfill that only keeps electronics or batteries. (Most just to keep the overall volume down, so it's more economical to make whatever special arrangements you need to keep everything safe enough.)

safety1st 3y ago

Well if we're comparing the recycling of old soda cans to lithium batteries... I had to throw a few old phones away recently. I Googled and found a mobile phone store near me that accepted e-waste for free, so I went a bit out of my way and took the phones there. I was not, however, given a bit of cash for every phone I returned..!

gorlilla 3y ago
Soda can deposits are far from universal an do not result in free money... they simply refund the deposit that was paid up.
- iancmceachern 3y ago
  But they do make sure more bottles amd cans get recycled. In practice it creates a whole ecosystem of people collecting amd cashing them in. If we didn't have the deposit, the government would have to pay for that cleanup
kwhitefoot 3y ago
Batteries in Norway have a very high recycling rate and large batteries like car starter batteries attract a specific tax (miljø gebyr, environment charge) that assists in funding the recycling operations. Everyone who sells batteries has to be a member of an approved recycling group and be willing to accept for recycling batteries of the same general type even if they did not sell them. So you can dump your old phone batteries in a box at any supermarket.