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I imagine if a core aspect of your lifestyle, work, culture, and traditions were being attacked for "destroying the planet", you may feel defensive and antagoni

I imagine if a core aspect of your lifestyle, work, culture, and traditions were being attacked for "destroying the planet", you may feel defensive and antagonistic as well. My grandfather was a cattle rancher. His father was a cattle rancher, etc. When my extended family gets together we eat roast beef because that is our tradition. We eat beef hamburgers and hot dogs at 4th of July cookouts because that is our culture. Most of the folks telling people like us to stop would never dream of telling another culture how to exist but since we are poor and white we don't really exist since we've been swept under the rug of white privilege.

myshpa 3y ago
Culture thrives on traditions, but if ours impacts others negatively, it's time for reflection and adaptation. Heritage grows when it embraces change.
- macinjosh 3y ago
  I imagine you likely travel by air. I haven’t in more than a decade. So please stop. Your customs are hurting me.
  - myshpa 3y ago
    I don't. I lowered my consumption habits significantly. And switched to veganism. It isn't that hard. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/31/avoiding-meat-and-dairy-is-single-biggest-way-to-reduce-your-impact-on-earth https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/31/avoiding... Animal agriculture has 8+ times more emissions than air travel. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352100490_Emissions_from_Animal_Agriculture-165_Is_the_New_Minimum_Figure https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352100490_Emissions... https://ourworldindata.org/emissions-by-sector https://ourworldindata.org/emissions-by-sector And that's just emissions ... we're not talking about biodiversity loss, eutrophication, deforestation, soil erosion, water usage, ...
  - Humboldtsnee 3y ago
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cma 3y ago
The Lottery: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lottery https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lottery
gsk22 3y ago
Tradition is a pretty terrible defense when the tradition in question has measurable, known harms. Luckily, most rational people would probably agree that there is a middle ground between "change nothing" and "eliminate the tradition". For example, cutting beef consumption to once a week or once a month would considerably lower your environmental impact without eliminating a valued tradition.
netsharc 3y ago
> Most of the folks telling people like us to stop would never dream of telling another culture how to exist but since we are poor and white we don't really exist Aww yeah that sweet nectar of victimhood. There are westerners telling Africans to stop female genital mutilation, should that also be allowed to continue, because, "culture"?

myshpa 3y ago

Culture thrives on traditions, but if ours impacts others negatively, it's time for reflection and adaptation. Heritage grows when it embraces change.

macinjosh 3y ago
I imagine you likely travel by air. I haven’t in more than a decade. So please stop. Your customs are hurting me.
- myshpa 3y ago
  I don't. I lowered my consumption habits significantly. And switched to veganism. It isn't that hard. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/31/avoiding-meat-and-dairy-is-single-biggest-way-to-reduce-your-impact-on-earth https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/31/avoiding... Animal agriculture has 8+ times more emissions than air travel. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352100490_Emissions_from_Animal_Agriculture-165_Is_the_New_Minimum_Figure https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352100490_Emissions... https://ourworldindata.org/emissions-by-sector https://ourworldindata.org/emissions-by-sector And that's just emissions ... we're not talking about biodiversity loss, eutrophication, deforestation, soil erosion, water usage, ...
- Humboldtsnee 3y ago
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cma 3y ago

The Lottery: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lottery https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lottery

gsk22 3y ago

Tradition is a pretty terrible defense when the tradition in question has measurable, known harms. Luckily, most rational people would probably agree that there is a middle ground between "change nothing" and "eliminate the tradition". For example, cutting beef consumption to once a week or once a month would considerably lower your environmental impact without eliminating a valued tradition.

netsharc 3y ago

> Most of the folks telling people like us to stop would never dream of telling another culture how to exist but since we are poor and white we don't really exist Aww yeah that sweet nectar of victimhood. There are westerners telling Africans to stop female genital mutilation, should that also be allowed to continue, because, "culture"?