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I am also an Indian, also from Bangalore. India and other poor nations account for a larger share of piracy worldwide. Here's a somewhat old study but it still

by asto 15y ago

I am also an Indian, also from Bangalore. India and other poor nations account for a larger share of piracy worldwide. Here's a somewhat old study but it still serves to prove my point. http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sof_pir_rat-crime-software-piracy-rate http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sof_pir_rat-crime-soft... Almost all the auto drivers here use the meters that come with the auto. Newer 4-stroke autos have better mileage so auto drivers or auto lending firms buy them and they come with digital meters by default so more autos are starting to get them. I don't know about taxies because I don't use them. Most temples, churches and mosques here don't. Buying a glucometer saves a trip to the doctor just for that. It is a reduction of cost and there is no cheaper way to do it. In the case of software however, piracy or a cheaper option is almost always available. Of course you can go on and on but you have proven nothing. You have chosen to speak of a minority who do understand the value of technology and pay for it. I can also show you people/businesses who use FOSS or legally purchased software in Bangalore. Would that mean piracy doesn't exist here or that it is not prevalent? There is always the outlier class in any society. You cannot depend on them for a viable business in most cases.

kamaal 15y ago
Your post only proves my point(That people build things without knowing what value they add). Do you know how much metering for an auto costs? Do you know how much Taxi Dispatch system for a taxi costs? And neither the meter or the TDS comes with the Auto/Taxi. They have to pay for it from their pockets. I know this as a my father is a Taxi Driver. Do you know how much booking for taxis happens through emails/SMS and other online systems. The number is enormous. Those who sell, sell. Those who whine, whine. Coming to your point about Glucometers, again, people buy them because they need them regularly. So they pay for value. Why shouldn't they? I know at least 3 homes around me, and I live deep in Bangalore, not in BTM and Jayanagar types where only rich people live. People in those 3 homes have Nebulizers. They are ordinary middle class people who earn less than me. Your problem is simple, You refuse to learn from failures. And you believe the problem is with people around not with you. If you have the same attitude you will never succeed in business. Business requires learning a lot from feedback. Piracy is a global problem, Not just in India. Your assumption that Piracy is an Indian monopoly is ridiculous to say at the least. You say viable business cannot be set up in India. From where do you think crores of Indians derive their livelihood from? Have you heard of Jamshedpur an entire city set up by Tata's? Again as I said, those who know how to do buisiness in India do it by building value. Those who can't just whine. Lastly code is not the answer to all the problems in world/India. And business success doesn't depend on code alone. It depends on understanding people's problems and solving them. People pay if there is value, not just because its built.
- asto 15y ago
  http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/karnataka/article4475.ece http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/karnataka/article4475.ec... Post that announcement in 2009, new autos have had only new meters. If the notification is issued the day after a new auto is bought, it will be a loss of money to the auto owner. The notification was issued in Jan this year if I'm not wrong and it is now compulsory to have digital meters. The reason why it took from 2009-12 was because of auto-drivers resisting the change. Of course, all this because a majority of auto drivers are assholes whose only aim in life is to fleece passengers. It amazes me that of all people, you are bringing up auto-drivers as an example of technological change.
  - kamaal 15y ago
    Auto drivers are no bigger assholes than us software engineers, to be really telling frankly. If a software engineer can hop jobs every year without adding even 6 months of value to a company and he submits false rent receipts to save taxes(Which is stealing or fleecing as your describe the national treasury by the way)or when he reads online forums in the day time instead of working(which is fleecing the company by the way) etc. We should not point fingers at other occupations and pass sweeping generalizations on other people. This is the classic Indian mentality. We expect the poor to remain poor. An Auto driver is not supposed to earn well. The son of a cab driver like me is not supposed to be an engineer and earning well. And if we work hard and succeed we are assumed to be crossing our bounds. And the traditional Indian crowd can't stand this. But my point stands true right. The digital meters sell because there is a demand, and there is a value to it. Business demands value.
    - pm90 15y ago
      We should not point fingers at other occupations and pass sweeping generalizations on other people. You ask him to refrain from making generalizations, but YOU are the one that is making a lot of them. Nobody said that they don't want you to succeed because you are the son of a taxi driver, there was no need to even mention it in an anonymous online forum. It is YOU who is trying to get sympathy from this fact. Please try to understand what you are doing. I must say that I agree with asto; you have not countered his assertions, skirted but not tackled his points. It is an undeniable fact that piracy is rampant in India. Whether it is "good or bad for the country" is debatable, but the fact that it exists is not.

by asto 15y ago

kamaal 15y ago

Your post only proves my point(That people build things without knowing what value they add). Do you know how much metering for an auto costs? Do you know how much Taxi Dispatch system for a taxi costs? And neither the meter or the TDS comes with the Auto/Taxi. They have to pay for it from their pockets. I know this as a my father is a Taxi Driver. Do you know how much booking for taxis happens through emails/SMS and other online systems. The number is enormous. Those who sell, sell. Those who whine, whine. Coming to your point about Glucometers, again, people buy them because they need them regularly. So they pay for value. Why shouldn't they? I know at least 3 homes around me, and I live deep in Bangalore, not in BTM and Jayanagar types where only rich people live. People in those 3 homes have Nebulizers. They are ordinary middle class people who earn less than me. Your problem is simple, You refuse to learn from failures. And you believe the problem is with people around not with you. If you have the same attitude you will never succeed in business. Business requires learning a lot from feedback. Piracy is a global problem, Not just in India. Your assumption that Piracy is an Indian monopoly is ridiculous to say at the least. You say viable business cannot be set up in India. From where do you think crores of Indians derive their livelihood from? Have you heard of Jamshedpur an entire city set up by Tata's? Again as I said, those who know how to do buisiness in India do it by building value. Those who can't just whine. Lastly code is not the answer to all the problems in world/India. And business success doesn't depend on code alone. It depends on understanding people's problems and solving them. People pay if there is value, not just because its built.

asto 15y ago
http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/karnataka/article4475.ece http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/karnataka/article4475.ec... Post that announcement in 2009, new autos have had only new meters. If the notification is issued the day after a new auto is bought, it will be a loss of money to the auto owner. The notification was issued in Jan this year if I'm not wrong and it is now compulsory to have digital meters. The reason why it took from 2009-12 was because of auto-drivers resisting the change. Of course, all this because a majority of auto drivers are assholes whose only aim in life is to fleece passengers. It amazes me that of all people, you are bringing up auto-drivers as an example of technological change.
- kamaal 15y ago
  Auto drivers are no bigger assholes than us software engineers, to be really telling frankly. If a software engineer can hop jobs every year without adding even 6 months of value to a company and he submits false rent receipts to save taxes(Which is stealing or fleecing as your describe the national treasury by the way)or when he reads online forums in the day time instead of working(which is fleecing the company by the way) etc. We should not point fingers at other occupations and pass sweeping generalizations on other people. This is the classic Indian mentality. We expect the poor to remain poor. An Auto driver is not supposed to earn well. The son of a cab driver like me is not supposed to be an engineer and earning well. And if we work hard and succeed we are assumed to be crossing our bounds. And the traditional Indian crowd can't stand this. But my point stands true right. The digital meters sell because there is a demand, and there is a value to it. Business demands value.
  - pm90 15y ago
    We should not point fingers at other occupations and pass sweeping generalizations on other people. You ask him to refrain from making generalizations, but YOU are the one that is making a lot of them. Nobody said that they don't want you to succeed because you are the son of a taxi driver, there was no need to even mention it in an anonymous online forum. It is YOU who is trying to get sympathy from this fact. Please try to understand what you are doing. I must say that I agree with asto; you have not countered his assertions, skirted but not tackled his points. It is an undeniable fact that piracy is rampant in India. Whether it is "good or bad for the country" is debatable, but the fact that it exists is not.