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California Might Legalize Magic Mushrooms

27 points by mikece 3y ago

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
If we accept alcohol and tobacco, everything on this chart [1] that is yellow or orange should be, at a minimum, decriminalised. (And in my view, legal.) [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Nutt#/media/File%3ADevelopment_of_a_rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_of_potential_misuse_(physical_harm_and_dependence%2C_NA_free_means).svg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Nutt#/media/File%3ADev...
- ternaus 3y ago
  And we can criminalize tobacco and alcohol. At least tobacco.
  - blamazon 3y ago
    New Zealand has an interesting approach: > New Zealand passed a historic anti-smoking bill in Parliament on [Tuesday, December 13th, 2022], banning the sale of tobacco to anyone born on or after January 1, 2009. [1] [1]: https://lite.cnn.com/2022/12/13/asia/new-zealand-tobacco-ban-intl-hnk/index.html https://lite.cnn.com/2022/12/13/asia/new-zealand-tobacco-ban...
- hmmokidk 3y ago
  Why Georgia Home Boy?
- deleted 3y ago
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- mortureb 3y ago
  I didn’t realize ketamine was that high on the physical harm axis.
  - gavinray 3y ago
    It's not, the only major harm is potential kidney damage if you chronically abuse it. Look at folks being medically prescribed 100mg a day.
    - parineum 3y ago
      Something similar could be said for alcohol and tobacco. I think we're looking at a chart following chronic, recreational use.
      - blamazon 3y ago
        Source: "Development of a rational scale to assess the harm of drugs of potential misuse David Nutt, Leslie King, William Saulsbury, Colin Blakemore. Lancet. 2007." https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(07)60464-4 https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(07)60464-4 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17382831/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17382831/
- UweSchmidt 3y ago
  - we should reign in harmful drugs where possible, as was partially achieved with smoking - if there are more drugs legalized and therefore out and about, people can use and abuse more different drugs and compound their negative effects (i.e. smoking and drinking often goes together). People might drink alcohol as usual, try mushrooms at a party and also take steroids (yellow on the chart) for muscles. - some drugs might have random effects and can be hard to dose (magic mushrooms?); single may have permanent or long term effects; alcohol is 'safer' in the sense that the effects are linear. What is your main intention here, minimize potential harm from drugs overall, or responsibly legalize a drug that you find very beneficial and intend to use?
  - quantified 3y ago
    Let's go with responsibly legalize. There needs to be some clamps on it somewhere as the unserious will likely overdo and/or cause harm to themselves and others. But there is definitely benefit under the right circumstances.
- appplication 3y ago
  I really do not believe, given equal usage patterns, that ecstasy is lower on physical harm than alcohol. I have immense respect for the work of Alexander Shulgin and his efforts to explore the psychedelic space. But we know that single doses of ecstasy have neurodegenerative effects, with loosely established knowledge that taking it more often than ~once per month leads to compounding degeneration. As horrible as chronic alcohol use is, I don’t think it is anywhere near the same dose-frequency sensitivity for harm. All said, MDMA offers opportunity for therapeutic upside that alcohol likely doesn’t, so maybe thats’s weighed in there somewhere (probably not).
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footlose_3815 3y ago
You can already get it if you are a member of certain "churches" in California.
- jakderrida 3y ago
  I can already get it from my dealer in California.
SteveSkid 3y ago
Companies just want so sell vices. They tricked you with the cigarettes with their healing properties. Dispenaries are looking like pharmacys as if that weed heals you, maybe some people but its just another vice to pick up. Another addiction to enslave you and give profit to others. Dont do drugs guys
- jakderrida 3y ago
  Nancy Reagan?
1letterunixname 3y ago
Ah, my biotech-plant biology roommate's 2nd favorite species after c. sativa. So eager were they to work with it, that they got a gig in the greenhouse under a prof with a psilocybin DEA registration. IIRC, they created new fruit and vegetable commercial produce lines, some being GMO.
more_corn 3y ago
I think the word decriminalize and legalize have significantly different meanings. My understanding is that the bill would decriminalize private possession and use but not legalize it.

27 points by mikece 3y ago

If we accept alcohol and tobacco, everything on this chart [1] that is yellow or orange should be, at a minimum, decriminalised. (And in my view, legal.) [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Nutt#/media/File%3ADevelopment_of_a_rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_of_potential_misuse_(physical_harm_and_dependence%2C_NA_free_means).svg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Nutt#/media/File%3ADev...

ternaus 3y ago
And we can criminalize tobacco and alcohol. At least tobacco.
- blamazon 3y ago
  New Zealand has an interesting approach: > New Zealand passed a historic anti-smoking bill in Parliament on [Tuesday, December 13th, 2022], banning the sale of tobacco to anyone born on or after January 1, 2009. [1] [1]: https://lite.cnn.com/2022/12/13/asia/new-zealand-tobacco-ban-intl-hnk/index.html https://lite.cnn.com/2022/12/13/asia/new-zealand-tobacco-ban...
hmmokidk 3y ago
Why Georgia Home Boy?
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mortureb 3y ago
I didn’t realize ketamine was that high on the physical harm axis.
- gavinray 3y ago
  It's not, the only major harm is potential kidney damage if you chronically abuse it. Look at folks being medically prescribed 100mg a day.
  - parineum 3y ago
    Something similar could be said for alcohol and tobacco. I think we're looking at a chart following chronic, recreational use.
    - blamazon 3y ago
      Source: "Development of a rational scale to assess the harm of drugs of potential misuse David Nutt, Leslie King, William Saulsbury, Colin Blakemore. Lancet. 2007." https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(07)60464-4 https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(07)60464-4 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17382831/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17382831/
UweSchmidt 3y ago
- we should reign in harmful drugs where possible, as was partially achieved with smoking - if there are more drugs legalized and therefore out and about, people can use and abuse more different drugs and compound their negative effects (i.e. smoking and drinking often goes together). People might drink alcohol as usual, try mushrooms at a party and also take steroids (yellow on the chart) for muscles. - some drugs might have random effects and can be hard to dose (magic mushrooms?); single may have permanent or long term effects; alcohol is 'safer' in the sense that the effects are linear. What is your main intention here, minimize potential harm from drugs overall, or responsibly legalize a drug that you find very beneficial and intend to use?
- quantified 3y ago
  Let's go with responsibly legalize. There needs to be some clamps on it somewhere as the unserious will likely overdo and/or cause harm to themselves and others. But there is definitely benefit under the right circumstances.
appplication 3y ago
I really do not believe, given equal usage patterns, that ecstasy is lower on physical harm than alcohol. I have immense respect for the work of Alexander Shulgin and his efforts to explore the psychedelic space. But we know that single doses of ecstasy have neurodegenerative effects, with loosely established knowledge that taking it more often than ~once per month leads to compounding degeneration. As horrible as chronic alcohol use is, I don’t think it is anywhere near the same dose-frequency sensitivity for harm. All said, MDMA offers opportunity for therapeutic upside that alcohol likely doesn’t, so maybe thats’s weighed in there somewhere (probably not).

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footlose_3815 3y ago

You can already get it if you are a member of certain "churches" in California.

jakderrida 3y ago
I can already get it from my dealer in California.

SteveSkid 3y ago

Companies just want so sell vices. They tricked you with the cigarettes with their healing properties. Dispenaries are looking like pharmacys as if that weed heals you, maybe some people but its just another vice to pick up. Another addiction to enslave you and give profit to others. Dont do drugs guys

jakderrida 3y ago
Nancy Reagan?

1letterunixname 3y ago

Ah, my biotech-plant biology roommate's 2nd favorite species after c. sativa. So eager were they to work with it, that they got a gig in the greenhouse under a prof with a psilocybin DEA registration. IIRC, they created new fruit and vegetable commercial produce lines, some being GMO.

more_corn 3y ago

I think the word decriminalize and legalize have significantly different meanings. My understanding is that the bill would decriminalize private possession and use but not legalize it.