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COVID matters as we generally agree that during public health crisises it is reasonable for the government to overstep bounds a little to reduce loss of life.

COVID matters as we generally agree that during public health crisises it is reasonable for the government to overstep bounds a little to reduce loss of life. Objectively it is different. Additionally you are going to have a hard time justifying that the federal government shouldn't do anything about disinformation. We cannot allow foreign adversaries to include our politics by saying "but the first amendment". So while we cannot be too broad with our actions and any action should be carefully monitored for violation it isn't fundamental that the government cannot say "please don't give a platform to disinformation". Generally speaking most of the things involved weren't deleted but deplatformed. Most commonly by not recommending them or adding a warning to them. Deletion did occur but my understanding was it wasn't a significant portion of the actions taken by platforms.

WhiskeyChicken 3y ago
> ...we generally agree that during public health crisises it is reasonable for the government to overstep bounds a little to reduce loss of life. No, "we" don't agree in the slightest. In fact, in my view, a "crisis" is exactly when government boundaries are most important and need to be strictly enforced, not relaxed, in order to prevent significant abuse.
- Guvante 3y ago
  We shouldn't allow the government to act quickly? That is nonsensical, going slower during a crisis makes zero sense. You can argue what boundaries should be relaxed and how far to relax them but "hold the government to a tighter standard ahead of time during a crisis" is the opposite of helpful. We normally hold the government to a strict limit due to there being no time limit.
  - WhiskeyChicken 3y ago
    > That is nonsensical, going slower during a crisis makes zero sense. I never said anything about "going slower," I disagreed with your assertion that "we all agree" that government should be allowed to "overstep bounds" in a crisis. I am unsure why you think speed of action implies violating boundaries. Speed up your crisis response all you want, but do so within established boundaries. > You can argue what boundaries should be relaxed and how far to relax them I can argue whatever I want. And my argument is that no boundaries whatsoever should be "relaxed" for any reason. Ever. > We normally hold the government to a strict limit due to there being no time limit. No, we hold the government to strict limits because we have seen throughout history what governments that are not held to strict limits do to people during times of "crisis" and "emergency."
    - Guvante 3y ago
      At the time we worry less and give deference to the government. Sue later if they screwed up. Exactly what is going on is what you want, you don't need to add "they shouldn't have done anything in the first place" as if they very act of trying to prevent misinformation that was actively leading to the spread of a contagious virus was fundamentally flawed.
      - WhiskeyChicken 3y ago
        > trying to prevent misinformation An unsubstantiated and highly arguable claim. > that was actively leading to the spread of a contagious virus Again, so you claim. And, yes, it was "fundamentally flawed" either way because it involved government exercising powers it has no right to exercise.
spookthesunset 3y ago
> COVID matters as we generally agree that during public health crisises it is reasonable for the government to overstep bounds a little to reduce loss of life. Don't agree at all. Especially when the very same public health "experts" proved themselves entirely incompetent fools who don't understand their own data. What these "experts" did was absolutely insane. It blows my mind so many people went along with it with nary a hint of intellectual curiosity and still to this day defend it.
- Guvante 3y ago
  Yes mistakes were made. The mask kerfuffle was a black eye on the CDC 100%. But calling it overall insane and pretending everyone was ignorant at the time only makes sense if you are ignoring everything that wasn't eventually confirmed true.
  - Gibbon1 3y ago
    Felt to me the CDC wanted to appear competent and authoritative while being caught flat footed[1] with something they hadn't dealt with before. Me I tried to figure out what mitigations were needed and decided it wasn't knowable so did them all until the picture became clearer. [1] CDC thought the next big pandemic was going to be influenza. And then got hit with something different. But then executed as if it was. Bonus for about 50 years they didn't fund any research on how influenza and other respiratory viruses spread either.

WhiskeyChicken 3y ago

> ...we generally agree that during public health crisises it is reasonable for the government to overstep bounds a little to reduce loss of life. No, "we" don't agree in the slightest. In fact, in my view, a "crisis" is exactly when government boundaries are most important and need to be strictly enforced, not relaxed, in order to prevent significant abuse.

Guvante 3y ago
We shouldn't allow the government to act quickly? That is nonsensical, going slower during a crisis makes zero sense. You can argue what boundaries should be relaxed and how far to relax them but "hold the government to a tighter standard ahead of time during a crisis" is the opposite of helpful. We normally hold the government to a strict limit due to there being no time limit.
- WhiskeyChicken 3y ago
  > That is nonsensical, going slower during a crisis makes zero sense. I never said anything about "going slower," I disagreed with your assertion that "we all agree" that government should be allowed to "overstep bounds" in a crisis. I am unsure why you think speed of action implies violating boundaries. Speed up your crisis response all you want, but do so within established boundaries. > You can argue what boundaries should be relaxed and how far to relax them I can argue whatever I want. And my argument is that no boundaries whatsoever should be "relaxed" for any reason. Ever. > We normally hold the government to a strict limit due to there being no time limit. No, we hold the government to strict limits because we have seen throughout history what governments that are not held to strict limits do to people during times of "crisis" and "emergency."
  - Guvante 3y ago
    At the time we worry less and give deference to the government. Sue later if they screwed up. Exactly what is going on is what you want, you don't need to add "they shouldn't have done anything in the first place" as if they very act of trying to prevent misinformation that was actively leading to the spread of a contagious virus was fundamentally flawed.
    - WhiskeyChicken 3y ago
      > trying to prevent misinformation An unsubstantiated and highly arguable claim. > that was actively leading to the spread of a contagious virus Again, so you claim. And, yes, it was "fundamentally flawed" either way because it involved government exercising powers it has no right to exercise.

spookthesunset 3y ago

> COVID matters as we generally agree that during public health crisises it is reasonable for the government to overstep bounds a little to reduce loss of life. Don't agree at all. Especially when the very same public health "experts" proved themselves entirely incompetent fools who don't understand their own data. What these "experts" did was absolutely insane. It blows my mind so many people went along with it with nary a hint of intellectual curiosity and still to this day defend it.

Guvante 3y ago
Yes mistakes were made. The mask kerfuffle was a black eye on the CDC 100%. But calling it overall insane and pretending everyone was ignorant at the time only makes sense if you are ignoring everything that wasn't eventually confirmed true.
- Gibbon1 3y ago
  Felt to me the CDC wanted to appear competent and authoritative while being caught flat footed[1] with something they hadn't dealt with before. Me I tried to figure out what mitigations were needed and decided it wasn't knowable so did them all until the picture became clearer. [1] CDC thought the next big pandemic was going to be influenza. And then got hit with something different. But then executed as if it was. Bonus for about 50 years they didn't fund any research on how influenza and other respiratory viruses spread either.