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The difference now is that Intel is being run by an engineer again so at very least there might be some top-down strategy.

by mhh__ 3y ago

brucethemoose2 3y ago
And yet they are still delaying releases, canceling promising products, and making some questionable technical choices (like overhauling AVX512 and bifurcating the new standard, instead of uniting it like ARM and AMD did, among others). I like Pat, I like what Pat says, I get plans are long term, but it still feels like the rubber is not meeting the road.
- tester756 3y ago
  >canceling promising products Like? I hope you aren't talking about Optane
  - someperson 3y ago
    What was wrong with Optane?
    - jiggawatts 3y ago
      It was supposed to be cheaper than the equivalent amount of ordinary DRAM but ended up more expensive and slower.
      - networkchad 3y ago
        [dead]
    - tester756 3y ago
      There was nothing wrong with Optane (I'm talking about non-volatile memory, it is important because there were a few products under Optane name) I believe that was/is impressive tech. You could have disk and ram in one stick aka kinda unified memory. Think of it: instead of purchasing RAM+Disk, you purchase one stick and configure it as e.g 40% of the capacity works as a disk and 60% as a "RAM". But saying that they "cancelled" doesn't tell the whole story. IIRC: they couldnt find a fab which would produce them after Micron sold their fab.
    - panick21_ 3y ago
      It wasn't better at being ram then dram and it wasn't better at being persistent store then flash. The amount of application where it was actually better was very few. And unlike flash and dram it had no huge commodity market to drive down the price. This podcast has a lot of interesting discussion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf6a_32vvbU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf6a_32vvbU
  - brucethemoose2 3y ago
    Falcon Shores, which was partially canceled/delayed. This is a big one. Nervana, canceled in favor of Havana's Gaudi (though fortunately Gaudi 3 missed the axe). And there are smaller things here and there, like the cancellation of iGPU-heavy designs like Broadwell or Skylake with eDRAM, and some rumors like the cancellation of the Arc Battlemage big die (albeit from a questionably reliable source).
  - panick21_ 3y ago
    Like the Tofino.
depereo 3y ago
Pat hasn't been an engineer for a long, long time. He doesn't appear to act or plan like one now.
9front 3y ago
I was at Intel when Krzanich was shown the door. After some time Bob Swan was announce as the new CEO. A bean counter, that was a first for Intel leadership. On the internal employee bulletin board the company posted how Bob is the right choice to which someone replied "If Bob was the right choice why did it take seven months?"
andromeduck 3y ago
Should have been Rene TBH. Pat is the wrong type of engineer.

The difference now is that Intel is being run by an engineer again so at very least there might be some top-down strategy.

by mhh__ 3y ago

The difference now is that Intel is being run by an engineer again so at very least there might be some top-down strategy.

brucethemoose2 3y ago

And yet they are still delaying releases, canceling promising products, and making some questionable technical choices (like overhauling AVX512 and bifurcating the new standard, instead of uniting it like ARM and AMD did, among others). I like Pat, I like what Pat says, I get plans are long term, but it still feels like the rubber is not meeting the road.

tester756 3y ago
>canceling promising products Like? I hope you aren't talking about Optane
- someperson 3y ago
  What was wrong with Optane?
  - jiggawatts 3y ago
    It was supposed to be cheaper than the equivalent amount of ordinary DRAM but ended up more expensive and slower.
    - networkchad 3y ago
      [dead]
  - tester756 3y ago
    There was nothing wrong with Optane (I'm talking about non-volatile memory, it is important because there were a few products under Optane name) I believe that was/is impressive tech. You could have disk and ram in one stick aka kinda unified memory. Think of it: instead of purchasing RAM+Disk, you purchase one stick and configure it as e.g 40% of the capacity works as a disk and 60% as a "RAM". But saying that they "cancelled" doesn't tell the whole story. IIRC: they couldnt find a fab which would produce them after Micron sold their fab.
  - panick21_ 3y ago
    It wasn't better at being ram then dram and it wasn't better at being persistent store then flash. The amount of application where it was actually better was very few. And unlike flash and dram it had no huge commodity market to drive down the price. This podcast has a lot of interesting discussion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf6a_32vvbU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf6a_32vvbU
- brucethemoose2 3y ago
  Falcon Shores, which was partially canceled/delayed. This is a big one. Nervana, canceled in favor of Havana's Gaudi (though fortunately Gaudi 3 missed the axe). And there are smaller things here and there, like the cancellation of iGPU-heavy designs like Broadwell or Skylake with eDRAM, and some rumors like the cancellation of the Arc Battlemage big die (albeit from a questionably reliable source).
- panick21_ 3y ago
  Like the Tofino.

depereo 3y ago

Pat hasn't been an engineer for a long, long time. He doesn't appear to act or plan like one now.

9front 3y ago

I was at Intel when Krzanich was shown the door. After some time Bob Swan was announce as the new CEO. A bean counter, that was a first for Intel leadership. On the internal employee bulletin board the company posted how Bob is the right choice to which someone replied "If Bob was the right choice why did it take seven months?"

andromeduck 3y ago

Should have been Rene TBH. Pat is the wrong type of engineer.