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So the lackey gets 5 years in prison, the players are let off the hook and the mafia directing and financing the operation isn’t even investigated. Is organized

by rcme 3y ago

So the lackey gets 5 years in prison, the players are let off the hook and the mafia directing and financing the operation isn’t even investigated. Is organized crime a joke in Europe? Apparently millions of dollars were being laundered through this scheme. How much illegal activity went into generating the capital?

rurban 3y ago
Organized crime seems more like a joke in the US. There they did nothing at all
- vuln 3y ago
  > Organized crime seems more like a joke in the US. There they did nothing at all That just, your opinion, man.
  - rurban 3y ago
    Read the article man. It was not an opinion, nor a generalization. > Sitting across from the FBI agents, Borremans sensed that they weren’t interested in the investigation. The Americans interrogated Rivera, but that’s where the case ended. A senior FBI official said in an interview that the agency reviewed the case as a courtesy to the Belgian police, but he would not comment on the details.
- kjkjadksj 3y ago
  Italy would like a word.
  - borroka 3y ago
    Although still present, organized crime in Italy was severely curtailed by the maxi-trials (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxi_Trial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxi_Trial) of the 1990s--which followed the murders of prosecutors Falcone and Borsellino--trials that sent hundreds of mobsters and those colluding with the Mafia to hard prison for many years. Mafia, the organized crime syndicate born in Sicily and exported all over the world, was particularly affected by the maxi-trials.
    - throwmeout123 3y ago
      Not really. They just stopped killing and now have more lucrative business and habits, less in the spotlight of the public opinion.
      - borroka 3y ago
        I must say that only the ill-informed could claim that the Sicilian Mafia of today is as strong and profitable as that of the 1970s and 1980s. Matteo Messina Denaro, the last head of the Mafia, recently arrested and about to die of cancer, led a life that, were it not for the nefarious consequences of his actions and role, would be considered quite ridiculous, certainly not comparable to that of the Mexican or Colombian drug lords: he had little "disposable income", lived in a small apartment, and frequented a few prostitutes, energized by Viagra. Bernardo Provenzano, who before Messina Denaro was the head of the Mafia, lived for at least a decade in a farmhouse, largely alone, communicating with his "picciotti" with "pizzini," small pieces of paper with something barely comprehensible written on them: when they arrested him, he looked like an elderly man in rough shape. The Camorra has followed a similar decline, mostly due to internal fighting in the 90s and early 2000s, while the 'Ndrangheta, the Calabrian mafia, is unfortunately still strong, in Italy, Spain, Central Europe, Canada, Australia and South America. The books of Gratteri on 'Ndrangheta are an interesting read. I hate organized crime as much as one can hate organized crime and "mafiosi", and I would still to this day favor and support the iron fist of Mori, the police chief sent to Sicily a hundred years ago, who used rather, let's say, energetic methods to eradicate the mafia. I would give life imprisonment to mobsters, like one gives candy to kids on Halloween. Generously. But the Mafia and Camorra are no longer as powerful as they once were. And I hope they will be even less so in the future.
        throwmeout123 3y ago
        Uhm, I live and i Was born in sicily. MMD lived a great life with a lot of money in comparison to shitty overtaxed italian salaries and got arrested just to get medical attention without enacting the Andrea bonafede identity. He was seen many many Times in castelvetrano. He sold himself to the police. Binnu was an ignorant peasant, only good at violent acts, just like Riina and the other corleonesi. He sold himself to the police too. Those people are not criminal masterminds a la Gustavo Frings, are just analphabet goat shepherds with a knack for vioolence. Mandamenti might be less powerful such as in commanding entrepreneurs Who to hire and so on (mainly because sicily is depleted of Economic activity) but they still control a big part of sicilian politics, huge part of sicily national health system, lots of first sector (natural environment plus huge eu subsidies so a lot of scams and so on), tourist and nightlife activities, drug and prostitution (often in collaboration with black axe from nigeria)…calabria is even shittier and more crippled…should i go on?
  - umvi 3y ago
    Only southern Italy still has strong mafia roots. Northern Italy is much less corrupt. Southern Italy has the better food though, so it seems the mafiosi at least have good taste in cuisine.
    - ak217 3y ago
      That's not a coincidence. Mafias subsist on corrupting industries and extracting illicit revenue from them. To do this, they need to have a degree of understanding of the industry in question. It is far harder to corrupt manufacturing industries that compete in the global market (northern Italy) than agrarian/food service/tourism industries (southern Italy).
    - bombolo 3y ago
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    - daniel-cussen 3y ago
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    - toyg 3y ago
      Er, the trend is actually the opposite nowadays, with mafia orgs increasingly moving to the North - because there is more money to be made, and the strong community ethics that previously protected those areas have been massively eroded over the last 40 years.
  - gramie 3y ago
    The history of that is interesting. Italians from Sicily emigrated to the U.S. in 1880-1920. Many brought their mafia ties and traditions with them. When the allies liberated Sicily in WWII, many of those Italian-Americans acted as interpreters and assisted the military in consolidating control. The U.S. appointed many mafiosi to manage the island; after all, they were staunch opponents of the Fascists, who had tried to eradicate the mafia.
nomat 3y ago
apparently corruption runs rampant throughout all of europe. from the banks that facilitate the laundering of funds, to the port authorities that allow boatloads of cocaine from Colombian cartels, to the criminal states like albania. DW has a video called "The cartels of Marseille" that goes into the drug side of it. but of course there is art, human trafficking, weapons dealing, etc.
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by rcme 3y ago

rurban 3y ago

Organized crime seems more like a joke in the US. There they did nothing at all

vuln 3y ago
> Organized crime seems more like a joke in the US. There they did nothing at all That just, your opinion, man.
- rurban 3y ago
  Read the article man. It was not an opinion, nor a generalization. > Sitting across from the FBI agents, Borremans sensed that they weren’t interested in the investigation. The Americans interrogated Rivera, but that’s where the case ended. A senior FBI official said in an interview that the agency reviewed the case as a courtesy to the Belgian police, but he would not comment on the details.
kjkjadksj 3y ago
Italy would like a word.
- borroka 3y ago
  Although still present, organized crime in Italy was severely curtailed by the maxi-trials (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxi_Trial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxi_Trial) of the 1990s--which followed the murders of prosecutors Falcone and Borsellino--trials that sent hundreds of mobsters and those colluding with the Mafia to hard prison for many years. Mafia, the organized crime syndicate born in Sicily and exported all over the world, was particularly affected by the maxi-trials.
  - throwmeout123 3y ago
    Not really. They just stopped killing and now have more lucrative business and habits, less in the spotlight of the public opinion.
    - borroka 3y ago
      I must say that only the ill-informed could claim that the Sicilian Mafia of today is as strong and profitable as that of the 1970s and 1980s. Matteo Messina Denaro, the last head of the Mafia, recently arrested and about to die of cancer, led a life that, were it not for the nefarious consequences of his actions and role, would be considered quite ridiculous, certainly not comparable to that of the Mexican or Colombian drug lords: he had little "disposable income", lived in a small apartment, and frequented a few prostitutes, energized by Viagra. Bernardo Provenzano, who before Messina Denaro was the head of the Mafia, lived for at least a decade in a farmhouse, largely alone, communicating with his "picciotti" with "pizzini," small pieces of paper with something barely comprehensible written on them: when they arrested him, he looked like an elderly man in rough shape. The Camorra has followed a similar decline, mostly due to internal fighting in the 90s and early 2000s, while the 'Ndrangheta, the Calabrian mafia, is unfortunately still strong, in Italy, Spain, Central Europe, Canada, Australia and South America. The books of Gratteri on 'Ndrangheta are an interesting read. I hate organized crime as much as one can hate organized crime and "mafiosi", and I would still to this day favor and support the iron fist of Mori, the police chief sent to Sicily a hundred years ago, who used rather, let's say, energetic methods to eradicate the mafia. I would give life imprisonment to mobsters, like one gives candy to kids on Halloween. Generously. But the Mafia and Camorra are no longer as powerful as they once were. And I hope they will be even less so in the future.
      - throwmeout123 3y ago
        Uhm, I live and i Was born in sicily. MMD lived a great life with a lot of money in comparison to shitty overtaxed italian salaries and got arrested just to get medical attention without enacting the Andrea bonafede identity. He was seen many many Times in castelvetrano. He sold himself to the police. Binnu was an ignorant peasant, only good at violent acts, just like Riina and the other corleonesi. He sold himself to the police too. Those people are not criminal masterminds a la Gustavo Frings, are just analphabet goat shepherds with a knack for vioolence. Mandamenti might be less powerful such as in commanding entrepreneurs Who to hire and so on (mainly because sicily is depleted of Economic activity) but they still control a big part of sicilian politics, huge part of sicily national health system, lots of first sector (natural environment plus huge eu subsidies so a lot of scams and so on), tourist and nightlife activities, drug and prostitution (often in collaboration with black axe from nigeria)…calabria is even shittier and more crippled…should i go on?
- umvi 3y ago
  Only southern Italy still has strong mafia roots. Northern Italy is much less corrupt. Southern Italy has the better food though, so it seems the mafiosi at least have good taste in cuisine.
  - ak217 3y ago
    That's not a coincidence. Mafias subsist on corrupting industries and extracting illicit revenue from them. To do this, they need to have a degree of understanding of the industry in question. It is far harder to corrupt manufacturing industries that compete in the global market (northern Italy) than agrarian/food service/tourism industries (southern Italy).
  - bombolo 3y ago
    [dead]
  - daniel-cussen 3y ago
    [dead]
  - toyg 3y ago
    Er, the trend is actually the opposite nowadays, with mafia orgs increasingly moving to the North - because there is more money to be made, and the strong community ethics that previously protected those areas have been massively eroded over the last 40 years.
- gramie 3y ago
  The history of that is interesting. Italians from Sicily emigrated to the U.S. in 1880-1920. Many brought their mafia ties and traditions with them. When the allies liberated Sicily in WWII, many of those Italian-Americans acted as interpreters and assisted the military in consolidating control. The U.S. appointed many mafiosi to manage the island; after all, they were staunch opponents of the Fascists, who had tried to eradicate the mafia.

nomat 3y ago

apparently corruption runs rampant throughout all of europe. from the banks that facilitate the laundering of funds, to the port authorities that allow boatloads of cocaine from Colombian cartels, to the criminal states like albania. DW has a video called "The cartels of Marseille" that goes into the drug side of it. but of course there is art, human trafficking, weapons dealing, etc.

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