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What does the bill actually say? To state that I don’t trust google here is an understatement. If google is pissed off, then my default position is that the go

by wredue 3y ago

What does the bill actually say? To state that I don’t trust google here is an understatement. If google is pissed off, then my default position is that the government is probably correct. Not having all the facts, I could be coerced to a different position.

stephen_g 3y ago
The bill says a lot of things, it started out bad and has been amended and amended many times over years. I think the relevant points are putting things like requirements for age verification for anything possibly considered ‘harmful’ (like adult images) by way of, for example, requiring uploading an image of your Government issued ID or by using a face scan AI recognition system. The main other contentious one is the power for Ofcom to direct companies offering encrypted messaging services to break the security model of end-to-end encryption to allow content scanning and surveillance. Most big platforms (e.g. Apple, Meta/WhatsApp, Signal) said they would withdraw messaging services from the UK rather than breaking E2EE. The Government recently kinda said they might not use that power but then have been quite keen to try and say they’re not backing down so who knows what that means…
Rebelgecko 3y ago
Cloudflare falsely thinks I'm a bot so I can't actually read it, but I believe the full text of the bill is here: https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-03/0362/220362.pdf https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-03/0362...
- psunavy03 3y ago
  . . . but that's exactly what a bot would say!
  - Rebelgecko 3y ago
    Ironically it looks like I can read the document by having an actual bot fetch it for me. If I was a UK citizen I'd be pissed though (in the sense of being angry, not intoxicated). Everyone should be able to read the laws that their government is trying to pass.
HenryBemis 3y ago
Google gets a bad wrap for many reasons, I think mainly for its ad business. UK gov on the other hand.. oh brother. Where to start and where to end? They have been an ongoing fiasco/circus for the past decade, to say the least. Irrelevant to the specific topic, but in the "UK gov" front, I am still waiting for Boris Johnson and his minions to rake in the £350m every week and fund the NHS. Back to the topic, for a country where intensive surveillance is BAU, it's no wonder they want to weaken and/or remove E2EE. I wouldn't be surprised if in X years we hear that they (UK gov) have also tried to pull a "Room 641A" and failed.
- dmcq2 3y ago
  System X was set up thirty to forty years ago to do everything Room 641A was supposed to do without needing to be anywhere near the exchanges. They could just sit in London and put in the numbers to intercept and analogue signal processors looked out for various key words and important lines could be fully monitored

by wredue 3y ago

stephen_g 3y ago

The bill says a lot of things, it started out bad and has been amended and amended many times over years. I think the relevant points are putting things like requirements for age verification for anything possibly considered ‘harmful’ (like adult images) by way of, for example, requiring uploading an image of your Government issued ID or by using a face scan AI recognition system. The main other contentious one is the power for Ofcom to direct companies offering encrypted messaging services to break the security model of end-to-end encryption to allow content scanning and surveillance. Most big platforms (e.g. Apple, Meta/WhatsApp, Signal) said they would withdraw messaging services from the UK rather than breaking E2EE. The Government recently kinda said they might not use that power but then have been quite keen to try and say they’re not backing down so who knows what that means…

Rebelgecko 3y ago

Cloudflare falsely thinks I'm a bot so I can't actually read it, but I believe the full text of the bill is here: https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-03/0362/220362.pdf https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-03/0362...

psunavy03 3y ago
. . . but that's exactly what a bot would say!
- Rebelgecko 3y ago
  Ironically it looks like I can read the document by having an actual bot fetch it for me. If I was a UK citizen I'd be pissed though (in the sense of being angry, not intoxicated). Everyone should be able to read the laws that their government is trying to pass.

HenryBemis 3y ago

Google gets a bad wrap for many reasons, I think mainly for its ad business. UK gov on the other hand.. oh brother. Where to start and where to end? They have been an ongoing fiasco/circus for the past decade, to say the least. Irrelevant to the specific topic, but in the "UK gov" front, I am still waiting for Boris Johnson and his minions to rake in the £350m every week and fund the NHS. Back to the topic, for a country where intensive surveillance is BAU, it's no wonder they want to weaken and/or remove E2EE. I wouldn't be surprised if in X years we hear that they (UK gov) have also tried to pull a "Room 641A" and failed.

dmcq2 3y ago
System X was set up thirty to forty years ago to do everything Room 641A was supposed to do without needing to be anywhere near the exchanges. They could just sit in London and put in the numbers to intercept and analogue signal processors looked out for various key words and important lines could be fully monitored