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I think a car has a different position in "internet connectivity" than a ISP... (not to excuse ISP data collection, but implying that a car is as critical for

I think a car has a different position in "internet connectivity" than a ISP... (not to excuse ISP data collection, but implying that a car is as critical for network access as an ISP is nonsense)

ekianjo 3y ago
The ISP has technically no business knowing what you visited after they transfer the bits to you
- pastage 3y ago
  I have been living under a rock the last ten years so I thought the EU still had the data retention directive. Between 2006-2014 all ISPs were required to logg traffic in the EU. I am so glad you are right! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive
nullc 3y ago
Many potential forms of ISP data collection are unlawful in the US thanks to wiretap laws, which is why we don't generally see this level of surveillance from ISPs here.
- johndhi 3y ago
  Pretty sure this isn't true. What wiretapping laws do you have in mind? I think ISPs are exempt from most.
  - nullc 3y ago
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2511 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2511 Note the narrowness of (2) (a) and the broadness of (1)(a)/(1)(b).
    - johndhi 3y ago
      2a is the exception I was thinking of.
      - nullc 3y ago
        Indeed, but I don't think you can "we spy on our users and sell the results" under 2(a).